Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[CorporalClegg]

nuTrek is fascist? Huh. Who knew? Learn something new everyday.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Y'know, I swear, no matter the quality of Beyond, I'm always going to remember its pre-release phase for the unstoppable "truther" meme surrounding its production.

Oh, I don't think it's stopping anytime soon.

I really want to jokingly start a petition to end their pettiness. I bet I'd get more signatures more quickly than they have.

I signed the petition, and left a comment...

Because I'm obviously a freaking loon with no life. I'm actively protesting a Hollywood film when we are a country facing real problems such as hunger, homelessness and illiteracy. I think I'm being true to "Roddenberry's Vision" by wasting my time on such an inconsequential matter. I feel it is a far better use of my time than helping those less fortunate in my community.

Gene Roddenberry would be proud!

Just Brilliant!

 

[Franklin]

Oh, I don't think it's stopping anytime soon.

I really want to jokingly start a petition to end their pettiness. I bet I'd get more signatures more quickly than they have.

I signed the petition, and left a comment...

Because I'm obviously a freaking loon with no life. I'm actively protesting a Hollywood film when we are a country facing real problems such as hunger, homelessness and illiteracy. I think I'm being true to "Roddenberry's Vision" by wasting my time on such an inconsequential matter. I feel it is a far better use of my time than helping those less fortunate in my community.

Gene Roddenberry would be proud!

Just Brilliant!

Yeah. Just read it. Great job.

Whoever posted the quotes from the 1967 "Star Trek Writer's Guide" there had a stroke of genius, too.

How dare Roddenberry remind his writers that "Star Trek" needs to be action-packed and fast-paced? Does he not know his own show? No essays? We must attract and entertain (and keep) a large audience? Heresy!

Unfortunately, I think the irony of both posts are lost on the audience.

 

[BlueMetroid]

These two news bits lead me to believe Alice Eve is not, in fact, returning.

http://www.startrek.com/article/five-year-mission-out-wednesday

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/07/alice-eve-not-sure-about-returning-to-star-trek/

I bet she's the one who makes the "ultimate sacrifice". Can anyone who has read the new issue confirm?
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[ralph]

Reddit

Someone posted a thread about Shatner: "They are shooting a Hallmark movie in Vancouver and Victoria (where I am) - This was posted locally. Speaking to a production person, all of his stuff was shot in Vancouver last week. Plenty of time to zip across town for a cameo in Star Trek Beyond, no?"

 

[CorporalClegg]

No.

 

[eyeresist]

(ETA: By the way, you want to talk about a disappointing turn for Paramount financially like the "truthers" do for Into Darkness, take a look at Terminator: Genysis. $81 million domestic. Ouch.)

I expected nothing and was not disappointed.
(No, I haven't actually seen it.)

Seriously, attempts to prolong franchises like Terminator, Jurassic Park, Alien, Indiana Jones, Blade Runner etc do nothing for me. There is no great call for more of these, unlike Star Trek and Star Wars.

The only unnecessary sequel I am looking forward to is the new Conan, following up the intriguing coda to the first film all those years ago...

Admiral Archer's prized beagle! Scotty, you finally found him! He's just... been recast, is all.

 

[Mudd]

That's amazing.

So out of the near-zero signatures they have amassed, at least one was in jest, even.

At least two, I think:

Doug Fitz ASHEVILLE, NC about 1 month ago
Star Trek III is an abomination because Christopher Pine's penis is too much larger than William Shatner's. Canon violation!

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

I'm starting to like Asheville, NC.

 

[Campe]

Pegg discusses the writing process.

"When you write dialogue for any of those characters, it's a peculiar thing because you hear their voices in your head," he says. "In a way it's a great help because you're not really starting from scratch, you're not just working with a bunch of characters that you know well, but a fully formed, fully realized universe."

 

[Phantom]

The clique of nutty AbramsTrek superhaters have, thankfully, lost any and all credibility outside of their own little fanclubs.

Yup. They're just like flies that you can't unfortunately swat.

So are the holier-than-thou AbramsTrek superboosters.

I am mightily sick of the whole "It's ours now, shut up and go away you loser dinosaurs!" attitude that seems to be the core of every NuFandom for the last decade.

 

[BillJ]

I am mightily sick of the whole "It's ours now, shut up and go away you loser dinosaurs!" attitude that seems to be the core of every NuFandom for the last decade.

That's funny, I'm one of the dinosaurs. But I have no problem with the Abrams films.

What I do have a problem with is the "Star Trek never did that" crowd. Yet everything they complain about is in every iteration of the franchise.

 

[Mudd]

I am mightily sick of the whole "It's ours now, shut up and go away you loser dinosaurs!" attitude that seems to be the core of every NuFandom for the last decade.

Well, some of us were here from the beginning - so "ours again" would be as appropriate as "ours now."

That said, what Campe98 mentioned is really going on and what you describe is a preposterous exaggeration and generalization - "seems to be" is a nice weaselly phrase. No one has taken anything away from oldTrek fans - or folks who like the original Star Wars, Ghostbusters, oldBSG etc.

 

[BillJ]

No one has taken anything away from oldTrek fans - or folks who like the original Star Wars, Ghostbusters, oldBSG etc.

+1

 

[Phantom]

That said, what Campe98 mentioned is really going on and what you describe is a preposterous exaggeration and generalization - "seems to be" is a nice weaselly phrase. No one has taken anything away from oldTrek fans - or folks who like the original Star Wars, Ghostbusters, oldBSG etc.

No, they're just expected to sit down, shut up, and watch passively as the franchises they love are torn apart and remade into what they see as cruel caricatures of themselves.

And when they do speak up, they have to put up with the holier-than-thou NuFans lecturing endlessly to them about "nerd rage", "fear of change" and generally consigning them to the proverbial Outer Darkness for not wholeheartedly embracing the Glorious New Vision.

 

[Campe]

What you don't realize, Phantom, is first, while I'm not old, old school, I am older than most of the people who you discuss. Also, what you don't know is the almost religious fanaticism that has come out of the reactions of the anti-reboot fans. Look at many of the Facebook groups these days and you can see how holy and mighty the Roddenberry vision has become in some of these groups.

First, Roddenberry was a man. He was a man that created what it is we're talking about today but he is a man. Second, at the beginning, he was only interested in making a dime off of his idea. Nothing wrong with that. I respect that a creative-type wants to make a living off of his ideas. Then, the fans created this legend about him and he bought into it. When Next Gen came along, we had a whole new Roddenberry who spouted this idea about no conflict in the ranks of Starfleet and everyone was happy all the time!

Well, these fans have taken this to a level of ridiculousness. They lie, they bully, they play the martyr and they attack anything they don't like. They have taken it to the point where Roddenberry is their God and they put it and their desire to "decanonize" these new movies to a new level. I've fought this battle for months and I'm sick of it. So you'll pardon me if I take umbridge to what you say here because I hate these generalizations.

I have my issues with every iteration of Star Trek including these reboots. But I find them entertaining. If you have a problem with that, I'm sorry. But I've done my best to keep my negativity towards the "dinosaurs" as YOU put it to a minimum. So don't take it out on me.

Let me put it this way: You give me a good reason as to why these new Trek movies aren't any good, I'll be happy to listen, debate you and maybe even agree with you on it. If you're going to snipe, I don't want to hear it.

 

[Christopher]

I am mightily sick of the whole "It's ours now, shut up and go away you loser dinosaurs!" attitude that seems to be the core of every NuFandom for the last decade.

Straw man. The point is simply that fandom can be expanded to incorporate the new. There have been purist fans condemning every new incarnation of Star Trek, from the animated series to the movies to TNG to ENT. They were all rejected as "not real Trek" at first, and there were always purists who pretended that there was an insurmountable divide between the old and the new, but there were also plenty of fans who just quietly liked both. And in the long run, that inclusive attitude has always won out over the fabricated us-vs.-them mentality. Because fandom is a big tent with room for everybody, and the people who are willing to come together into a larger group and share their fandom are always going to have a numerical advantage over the ones who use their fandom to exclude and shut out the people they disagree with.

 

[BillJ]

No, they're just expected to sit down, shut up, and watch passively as the franchises they love are torn apart and remade into what they see as cruel caricatures of themselves.

The Star Trek I loved was made in the 1960's. No one is able to tear it apart. It is burned into my brain.

And when they do speak up, they have to put up with the holier-than-thou NuFans lecturing endlessly to them about "nerd rage", "fear of change" and generally consigning them to the proverbial Outer Darkness for not wholeheartedly embracing the Glorious New Vision.

Not the one's that actually have the brain cells to put a coherent argument together.

 

[Mudd]

No, they're just expected to sit down, shut up, and watch passively as the franchises they love are torn apart and remade into what they see as cruel caricatures of themselves.

The fact that people are producing entertainment that some fans don't care for is not a good reason for them to complain.

None of the stuff they liked has disappeared - in fact, new technologies and means of distribution mean that they have easier access to all the older productions they want more quickly and easily than ever.

They have an absolute protected right to complain, but other folks have just as great a right to find that complaining repetitive and tedious and to say so.

Entertainment companies exist to produce films, TV etc for the purpose of making profits. OldTrek simply stopped being commercially viable. People who want the owners of these franchises to produce less popular and more old-fashioned versions of them may just as usefully complain about gravity.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

That said, what Campe98 mentioned is really going on and what you describe is a preposterous exaggeration and generalization - "seems to be" is a nice weaselly phrase. No one has taken anything away from oldTrek fans - or folks who like the original Star Wars, Ghostbusters, oldBSG etc.

No, they're just expected to sit down, shut up, and watch passively as the franchises they love are torn apart and remade into what they see as cruel caricatures of themselves.

So don't watch it then. There are plenty of TOS reruns and old movies for you to enjoy; nobody ever tied you to a chair and forced you to watch the new ones.

And when they do speak up, they have to put up with the holier-than-thou NuFans lecturing endlessly to them about "nerd rage", "fear of change" and generally consigning them to the proverbial Outer Darkness for not wholeheartedly embracing the Glorious New Vision.

So stop displaying nerd rage and a general fear of change and people will stop accusing you of it.