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Just watched Justin Lin's Better Luck Tomorrow on Netflix.

This is the same director who fans call the "action explosions guy", right? Oh, the irony...

I've loved Justin Lin's work ever since he directed the first paintball episode of Community.
 
Just watched Justin Lin's Better Luck Tomorrow on Netflix.

This is the same director who fans call the "action explosions guy", right? Oh, the irony...
I like that movie a lot. But it's his only good movie. Everything else he's done has been pretty bad.

I hope he proves me wrong.
 
I honestly believe that within 10 (perhaps even 5) Lin will leapfrog Abrams on the directorial totem pole.

Abrams is a skilled filmmaker, who's well practiced at his craft. Lin is a visionary.
 
I like that movie a lot. But it's his only good movie. Everything else he's done has been pretty bad.

I hope he proves me wrong.
You have to understand the context.

You can't call an action movie shitty if you are looking for deep symbolic undertones and didn't get what you wanted. You don't compare apples with oranges, and you don't compare Star Wars with Citizen Kane. They're trying to achieve different things. If an action movie was entertaining and full of action, I'd praise it as a film well done.

The Fast & Furious films are dumb. Fast Five and Fast & Furious 6 are dumb movies made very intelligently. They are at least partially the result of analyzing Michael Bay-style event movies. Taking them apart to see what works, what doesn't, why it does and why it doesn't. Lin eliminates the mean spiritedness and the cynicism and replaces them with a bunch of sincerity. They happily lean in to their own silliness and that is wise. That's a sign of a very talented filmmaker.

I wouldn't trust anyone to make a modern big-budget blockbuster film more than I do Lin. The sad thing is that people take it as an insult that they'd hire the same guy from the Fast & Furious franchise for a Star Trek film. It's just not that simple, and I hope Lin and Paramount don't take it to heart.

If all the Trekkies can come up with is "he's the KABOOM guy!!!", they're hopeless.

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I've loved Justin Lin's work ever since he directed the first paintball episode of Community.

I thought that was the Russo brothers?

Anyway, I'm neither here nor there with Lin. Doesn't bother me that he's directing, doesn't add anything for me either. I'm willing to give him a chance. My concern lies more in the writing (and studio requirements in the writing) than the directing.
 
I heard this analogy once, and I thought it was great.

The difference between Fast & Furious and Transformers is that F&F feels like kids playing with toy cars having a good time, while Transformers feels like your uncle taking the toy cars and doing all kinds of inappropriate and stupid things with them making you and your friend uncomfortable.
 
I like that movie a lot. But it's his only good movie. Everything else he's done has been pretty bad.

I hope he proves me wrong.
His entire body of work proves you wrong. The F&F movies are better entertainment than most Trek or other fantasy movies of the past fifteen years.
 
I thought that was the Russo brothers?

Anyway, I'm neither here nor there with Lin. Doesn't bother me that he's directing, doesn't add anything for me either. I'm willing to give him a chance. My concern lies more in the writing (and studio requirements in the writing) than the directing.

Nope, the Russos did the painball episodes in season 2, and look which multi-billion dollar franchise they're with now!

I'm not sure why everyone is so worried with Simon Pegg at the helm for the script, when he's got a solid background - Spaced, Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Paul, and The World's End. With that kind of pedigree, and his clear dedication to the franchise, why is anyone not willing to go in without any doubts?
 
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It's not Simon Peggy that's worrisome, it's the rumours of the studio throwing out the first script because it was too star treky and demanding a guardians of the Galaxy clone, followed by an almost complete lack of marketing until recently (and the resulting rumours of why the lack of marketing) then 6 weeks of unplanned reshoots a couple months before the movie is released and trailers that seem to have revealed the entire plot.

I don't think the movie will be bad per say. I just am not excited about it like I have been for every other movie in the franchise. I'm "meh" about it. Nothing Paramount has done in regards to this film has made me hopeful about it.

The new series, on the other hand, has me super excited from the decisions they have made. Its like they are doing the exact opposite of the new movie. Instead of "not your fathers star trek" they are embracing the past with the writing staff, and Fuller had never made a misstep in my eyes, even his Munster reboot was great.
 
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:lol: That is a good clip. Pine does a good Shatner impression.

What excites me most about this movie is that I have no idea what it's about. Trailer spoilers ahead... I know the Enterprise is destroyed and the crew gets stranded on a planet; and I see that there are two aliens as main characters, one the villain and one, a possible ally; and there's a rather impressive looking space station but that's it. I don't have any context for anything I've seen. I accidentally read some pretty good speculation on one scene that felt pretty spoilery and may or may not come to pass but other than that I'm going in fresh, three weeks from tonight.
 
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It's not Simon Peggy that's worrisome, it's the rumours of the studio throwing out the first script because it was too star treky and demanding a guardians of the Galaxy clone,

Frankly, I think these rumors were blown up way more than they were meant. Seems like Bob Orci hasn't said anything bad or has been holding any grudges about what happened, so I'm willing to cut the studio some slack. Besides, after the rather serious tone STID had, it's likely to the franchise's benefit that some GotG-esque humor was injected in. Also, from the tidbits that have been coming out lately, I think we're fortunate that Paramount decided to go in a different direction for Beyond.

followed by an almost complete lack of marketing until recently (and the resulting rumours of why the lack of marketing)

IIRC, the timing of the marketing campaign for Beyond hasn't been that different than the one for STID.

then 6 weeks of unplanned reshoots a couple months before the movie is released and trailers that seem to have revealed the entire plot.

Every movie, and I'll stress this again, every movie has planned time and budget for necessary reshoots. That's been a part of the filmmaking process since MGM started doing that in the 1930's. I'm pretty sure there's not a single movie released by a major studio that hasn't had at least one minute of reshoots. Not sure where you're getting the 6 weeks figure from. As far as I know, the reshoot process was only a couple of weeks on this movie.

For the trailers, that's par for the course in any marketing campaign any more. I'm not holding that one against anyone other than Paramount's marketing team.
 
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MUSIC: Atmospheric, lots of potential, but ultimately monotonous. Would it have killed her to at least introduce a key change?
VISUALS: Wow! Did the FX houses working on Beyond also do this video? Seems likely; they probably had some "synergistic" cross-promotional deal. The Enterprise and the God planet look great, and I love the final shot of the Enterprise moving slowly towards Rihanna's enormously ghostly head. :)

Apart from Rihanna's neat little Star Trek confessional, there are similar vids from Simon Pegg, Denise Okuda ... and Slash from GnR.

looks like it mustve been filmed at Trona Peaks?
I called it on a previous page.

Abrams is a skilled filmmaker, who's well practiced at his craft. Lin is a visionary.
Lin has Space Jam 2 lined up, so he may not have in mind to prove you right. ;)
 
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