Spoilers Star Trek Beyond: Errors, Goofs, Inconsistencies

[drt]

It is implied from the old video playing in the messroom that she had NX01-style shuttlepods. We'll just have to pretend that there are some doors hidden behind greebles or panels somewhere on the model to accommodate such. Seems like being able to stick a motorcycle into a shuttlepod is a good way to extend a landing party's exploration range.

 

[DonIago]

That ship, to him, is a symbol of the Federations abandonment of him. If he hated the Federation and grew to loathe it even more over the years spent there, it's quite substantially probable that he would begin to resent their ship and gesture and leave it as far away from him as possible with no desire whatsoever to go back.

If he resented it that much I suspect he would have had it destroyed at some point, especially since he didn't seem to be playing with a full deck of cards.

But I concede that he left the ship there simply because he didn't care enough about it to do anything about it.

 

[drt]

He found an entire world's resources to play with, no need to bother with a busted ship half-buried in a landslide.

 

[DonIago]

Yes, but if one espouses the theory that he -hated- the ship, then it is a bit surprising that he wouldn't have destroyed it at some point, I think. At least in a fit of pique.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Yes, but if one espouses the theory that he -hated- the ship, then it is a bit surprising that he wouldn't have destroyed it at some point, I think. At least in a fit of pique.

I don't think that theory is really necessary, but even if one does subscribe to it, I would say it's perfectly possible that he hates the ship enough to not want to be anywhere near it, but not does hate it enough to waste time and resources destroying it. At the end of the day, he just has better things to do.

 

[NCC-1967]

Ambassador Spock's service record on the tablet Spock is handed. It mentions him serving as Executive Officer on the Enterprise NCC-1701-A, and I thought he took a vow never to reveal information about the future?

Fitting the Enterprise crew (430 by TOS numbers or 1100 according to the old Experience the Enterprise site) into the tiny USS Franklin.

The Franklin having no visible shuttlebays, despite the transporter being cargo-only (until Scotty gets his hands on it) and us seeing NX-01-style shuttlepods landing in the Franklin logs.

There weren't that many survivors left

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I don't see the problem here. Spock never lost the ship he traveled in.

Yes he did. The moment he came out of the black hole he was captured by Nero and marooned on Delta Vega without so much as a fanny pack. He was still ON Delta Vega when his younger self crashed the Jellyfish into the Narada. Anything he MIGHT have brought with him wound up getting flushed down the cosmic toilet along with Nero and his crew.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I don't think that theory is really necessary, but even if one does subscribe to it, I would say it's perfectly possible that he hates the ship enough to not want to be anywhere near it, but not does hate it enough to waste time and resources destroying it. At the end of the day, he just has better things to do.

It just makes me wonder how he meant the, "Hello, old friend" when he sees the Franklin heading toward the swarm.

 

[DonIago]

Yeah. I wouldn't necessarily elevate it to the level of an error, goof or inconsistency, but I do find it to be a bit of an oddity.

 

[drt]

It just makes me wonder how he meant the, "Hello, old friend" when he sees the Franklin heading toward the swarm.

Probably just that, he never figured that ship would ever leave it's resting place, unaware that the Swarm's activities over the next 100 years actually ended up providing the scavenged spare parts needed to fix it.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Probably just that, he never figured that ship would ever leave it's resting place, unaware that the Swarm's activities over the next 100 years actually ended up providing the scavenged spare parts needed to fix it.

I love the irony in that as well.

 

[urbandefault]

There were three survivors from the Franklin. Probably none had the advanced technical expertise to figure out how to get the ship off the planet surface, so they gave up on it. As they "absorbed" aliens' lifeforce to stay alive, their humanity replaced by the Blue Plate Special, the Franklin bacame irrelevant. All that remained was the hatred of Starfleet and the Federation for failing to rescue them.

The motorcycle was probably just an excursion vehicle to be carried in one of the unseen shuttles.

 

[Norsehound]

I don't think Edison hated the Franklin along with the federation. I'd suggest he felt that, like himself, the Franklin was also abandoned by the Federation as being obsolete. Rather, he and his survivors put more effort into restoring the Altamid ruins with functioning space vehicles. That turned into vengence, and the Franklin was forgotten.

Also why would Krall concern himself with Jaylah? Until Scotty came along she might have been very far from getting the ship really operable again for a number of reasons. Her unfamiliarity with the ship's history and operation, her unwillingness to push the ship before it was ready...


Re: Motorcycle
I think regardless if it could realistically be brought down to the planet or not, the Enterprise-Era crew I feel is much more likely to take such sentimental artifacts with them on long space voyages. The 'cycle is a tangible connection to home left behind, and with a bonus it can still be brought down on the cargo transporter for an excursion on alien planets. It's also something to do in space, continually performing maintenance, while the Franklin is in between destinations and there's some down time.

After Earth betrayed them it could be a symbol of what Earth was, but it was just easier to leave behind. Or it was preserved in memory of one of the fallen crew members who really owned the bike. Regardless, for me it isn't hard to believe such a sentimental item was carried by the crew and persisted through the ages for Kirk to find. It feels like a very Enterprise touch to me.

 

[starburst]

I think he probably abandoned it for a more permanent "home" of the mines and over time and due to the process of absorbing various aliens he forgot all about it as well as forgetting himself which was evident from when Kirk called him by name he said something like he hadn't felt like "him" in a while (seems to be a side effect of the process is absorbing someone their traits pass onto Krall which is why he started looking more human the more Starfleet officers he took).

The way he calls the Franklin "my old friend" would suggest that after 100 years he is still fond of the ship.

 

[Nfen84life]

Did anyone else find it off that Kirk and Chekov were able to shoot through the glass on the bridge so easily. I would hate to see what would happen to the bridge if they took a direct hit from a full sized ship.

Why were the last 3 swarm ships stopped by the Franklin. We saw that those ships could bore through the likely tougher armor of the Enterprise with easy.

 

[DonIago]

I think it's reasonable to assume the glass had already been compromised and Kirk and Chekov were just finishing the job. If anything I find it more dubious that they were able to ignite all of the saucer's thrusters.

 

[shapeshifter]

Or it normally had a structural integrity field strengthening it under normal conditions, which the conditions were far from.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It was already cracked when they started shooting IIRC.

And we know from Nemesis, even when they don't have a window there, a direct hit is disastrous.

The placement of the bridge is just one of those ridiculous Trek things we roll with.

 

[Timo]

If anything I find it more dubious that they were able to ignite all of the saucer's thrusters.

Or any of them. What, they run on chemical fuel now, while in the previous movie they failed to work when warp power was offline? Then again, if they do, they probably share a common fuel infrastructure, or else some thrusters would run out of fuel sooner than others, depending on maneuvers. So forcibly igniting one might light up the whole system.

These are once again "thrusters" of the exclusively ventral type, apparently designed for takeoff rather than steering. The Franklin has the same sort. Looks way more primitive than any takeoff system we have seen since they days of Cochrane. A backup to the backup that amazingly did not fail when Kirk took his ship out of the sea in the previous movie?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[drt]

Or any of them. What, they run on chemical fuel now, while in the previous movie they failed to work when warp power was offline? Then again, if they do, they probably share a common fuel infrastructure, or else some thrusters would run out of fuel sooner than others, depending on maneuvers. So forcibly igniting one might light up the whole system.

I always thought the warp engines needed to be running in STID to reduce the ship's mass enough for the thrusters to be able to lift the entire ship. As we saw in STB they were barely powerful enough to just flip the saucer.