Star Trek and Colonialism...

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Ferengi Prime 5, Jun 28, 2022.

  1. oberth

    oberth Commodore Commodore

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    wtf would colonise a rock 'devoid of life' - they really needed a fat replicator if they tried that
     
  2. Jedi Marso

    Jedi Marso Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    That wasn't actually a serious question on my part.

    However... actually, there was evidence that the aliens were NOT indigenous to LV-426 in that the original eggs were in a derelict spacecraft. And while the word 'society' is debatable when applied to them, they do seem to act with some rationality and intelligence, their murder-hobo tendencies aside.
     
  3. ChallengerHK

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    Your Lit Major background is showing.
     
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  4. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Vice Admiral Moderator

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    Based on the present definition of colonialism, the UFP are not a colonial power but they are semi imperialist.
     
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  5. Oddish

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    Either we don't worry about the possible emergence of future species, or we don't colonize anything other than airless moons. Since we can't predict the future, no third option.
     
  6. at Quark's

    at Quark's Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    And even then you'd have to be absolutely certain that no life can ever develop under such conditions.

    On the other hand, perhaps you don't have to think in absolutes. Perhaps it's a sliding scale, where colonizing a planet with only primitive life where sapience is at least a hundred million years away (barring some freak accident) is simply less objectionable than colonizing a planet with a proto-sapient species that may well develop into actual sapience over the next few hundred thousand years or so.
     
  7. Kor

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    Gotta watch out for those particles of preanimate matter caught in the matrix. :techman:

    I haven't been following this discussion too closely, so I'm not sure if somebody thinks that's bad in itself. I don't think it's bad, as long as they're not doing this in places that are already inhabited.

    Kor
     
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  8. BillJ

    BillJ Former Democrat Premium Member

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    I have to say that I’m not too terribly concerned about what might happen a million years from now.
     
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  9. Ferengi Prime 5

    Ferengi Prime 5 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Ferengi are not a imperium like the other Space faring powers. Its a merchant gild trying to gain power through wealth. They are like the Hanseatic League of Germany or maybe the medieval Genoese setting up trading colonies... not for conquest... They want to ride the "Great River" or "The Great Material Continuum"...
     
  10. urbandefault

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    The Ferengi are colonialists when it is profitable.

    Rule of Acquisition #45 (or #95): Expand or die.

    Also, The Unwritten Rule: When no appropriate rule applies, make one up. :techman:
     
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  11. Ferengi Prime 5

    Ferengi Prime 5 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Once you invent warp one day you will be a threat to the Federation so the Federation intervenes early to assimilate them into the Federation or else...

    In "The Day the Earth Stood Still": The people of Earth have invented the Hydrogen Bomb and an interplanetary organization steps in and gives earth a choice join or die... the Robot awaits....

    The Federation shows up and gives the same choice subtly and nuanced. I can point to New Worlds S1-E1. Where Pike displays the Enterprise for all to see... Is that not intimidation... forcing them to chose...
     
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  12. Ferengi Prime 5

    Ferengi Prime 5 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Well you could imply rule 45 and 95 have colonial intention... In business if your not growing (expanding ) you are dying...

    I like the Unwritten rule... :techman:
     
  13. Oddish

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    They don't assimilate you, at least not in the 24th century. Indeed, you can't join until you've eliminated certain social problems.

    First Contact is just basically saying "howdy folks; just so you know, you're not alone out here."

    If a newly contacted species wanted to join the Federation, the Federation envoy would tell them what was expected, which would likely include:
    * Stable one-world government.
    * Egalitarian society.
    * Most social problems eliminated.
    * Willingness to commit to the ideals of the Federation: peace, respect for life, non-interference.
     
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  14. urbandefault

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    Pretty sure that's the one the Nagus lives by.
     
  15. oberth

    oberth Commodore Commodore

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    no way - as i see it he can offically issue new rules (kinda like the pope for catholics or the tsar issuing an ukase)

    making them up on the way is for minions like quark (brunt probably lacks the fantasy for it)
     
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  17. Oddish

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    ^ By turning you into a food source while you're still non-sentient, right?
     
  18. Ferengi Prime 5

    Ferengi Prime 5 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The prime directive seems too...
     
  19. BillJ

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    If it did, the Federation would never colonize worlds. Prime Directive has to do with sapient beings and cultures already in place.
     
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  20. oberth

    oberth Commodore Commodore

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    exactly - i always thought archer was making fun of t'pol when he said that