Poll STAR TREK 4: Guess that plot

[Malaika]

I love "Arrival," but the pace of Kelvin Trek vs the pace of "Arrival" would be like hitting the brakes at 100 mph. Of course, some would argue that would be just what Kelvin Trek needs anyway.

The irony would be if the big budget film got the small story while the streaming shows got the galactic threat stories.

Arrival was the adaptation of a novel. It certaintly isn't our usual sci-fi movie, and probably not all the people who like the genre would like that movie. Arrival didn't want to be the kind of movie trek is expected to be. It reminded me of the movie 'Contact' with Jodie Foster ..some might find this kind of movie not so satisfying for a number of reasons (for one, the fact you won't get all the answers. You can't know about the aliens more, you can barely see them because the point of the story is always the journey of the human protagonist and what kind of 'message' they get about their condition as humans) ...but I love them lol

I digress, while I agree that movie is too different, I also think Paramount (the movie was made by the same studio) could learn a thing or two from that in terms of what you can do in a trek movie too. Talk about seeing things a bit outside the box. I also liked the fact it's very hard to communicate with the aliens, that you can take nothing for granted, and it is interesting to me that there could be an alien race that experiences time in completely different way (I'm not sure I'd personally like to experience time like that myself, but I found it realistic as a reminder that in space time isn't a linear thing anyway)
The big powerful emotional plot device, of course, isn't something that I consider suitable for trek or a franchise. It isn't the kind of movie that inspires a sequel because the story is self-contained and resolved in one movie.

 

[valkyrie013]

Hmm.. lets see..
Spock married to Uhura, with there 2.5 kids.. Maybe kids on board, maybe 1 or both stationed on a starbase..
Carol Marcus has David, and Kirk this time is in his life maybe? Instead of a deadbeat dad??
Enterprise in dock for a refit after there 5 year mission
Spock and Uhura on Nu Vulcan or on Yorktown.. raising there kids.
Kirk and Carol together, with David, on Earth waiting for the Refit
McCoy living with his daugter maybe with Lt. Tonia Barrows (Shore Leave)
Checkov out on another ship.
Sulu on the command track, Maybe on Earth taking comand classes, with his daugter and husband..
And something happens and they come back together on the Enterprise.
So maybe instead of Kirk's daddy issues, focus on Kirk and Spock, McCoy and Sulu being.. dads.. focus on family.
This is 10 years on, so show some growth and career choices of the crew.. maybe after the end of there 5 year mission.

 

[Malaika]

I guess you could attempt to take advantage of the adversarial energy between Kirk and Spock from the first film. Kirk is an Admiral, Spock is a civilian off working on Vulcan, with Sulu as Captain of the Enterprise. Have Kirk stationed at Starbase Yorktown, as to take advantage of the already done design work, and as a nod to the last movie..

They'd need to ignore beyond, tho. Because the end suggested that the resolution of Kirk and Spock arcs was that the first would continue working as a captain of the enterprise, while Spock changed his mind about leaving starfleet and didn't join the new vulcan colony. If the next movie finds them away from the Enterprise, doing exactly what they changed their mind about doing in beyond, it feels like the last movie was useless and their character development from there doesn't matter. It might also feel like a repetition like they always get back to the same point.

However, there are many scenarios that could create a fallout between them.
Say Kirk sends Uhura to a dangerous mission where she almost dies and is badly injured (maybe she loses a kid, maybe she needs months of therapy to recover and be able to do her job again) along with Chekov and other crew members. Maybe it was to save their captain too. Spock had warned Kirk about the risks but he wouldn't listen to him and he underestimated the situation. Spock tries to but never forgives Kirk for that. Kirk doesn't forgive himself either. So they never really talk about it, they still try to do their duty but it makes things worse until an occasion arises and this issue comes out in full force. You don't need to separate the crew for that, they could all still work together (saved for Chekov who either died or he decided to leave starfleet because the experience was too traumatic and made him realize he wanted to do other things with his life) but that accident is something that tainted them all.

 

[BillJ]

They'd need to ignore beyond, tho. Because the end suggested that the resolution of Kirk and Spock arcs was that the first would continue working as a captain of the enterprise, while Spock changed his mind about leaving starfleet and didn't join the new vulcan colony. If the next movie finds them away from the Enterprise, doing exactly what they changed their mind about doing in beyond, it feels like the last movie was useless and their character development from there doesn't matter. It might also feel like a repetition like they always get back to the same point.

I don't know. I think with time, things can change. You set ST4 eight to ten years after Beyond, a divide comes between Kirk and Spock and causes them each to go on their own path.

 

[Malaika]

I don't know. I think with time, things can change. You set ST4 eight to ten years after Beyond, a divide comes between Kirk and Spock and causes them each to go on their own path.

My only issue is that I still want to see their life as a crew. I hated that beyond robbed me of 3 years of missions and basically, how the crew became a family, and it separated them all at the beginning. The beginning of that movie is deflating after all the hope and promise at the end of stid.. .I honestly didn't feel emotion when their ship is destroyed. It's like each sequel avoided showing the crew finally being on their five years mission, they just tell us it happened offscreen and so did the relationships. I still think they didn't do enough with the dynamics to afford to have, once again, more drama.

 

[BillJ]

My only issue is that I still want to see their life as a crew. I hated that beyond robbed me of 3 years of missions and basically, how the crew became a family...

Regardless of the story, you won't be getting that back either way.

 

[valkyrie013]

What makes it a good TV series.. you get to see most of the character moments.. a movie is probably at best a few days in the life..
You don't have to make Kirk and Spock seperate because of some rift, even in beyond, each was just thinking of there future, while they might have gone different ways, they weren't enemy's..
In my above post, pointed out how they could be at the end of there 5 year mission, and them having 6-8 months of free time, like the time in ITD when the Enterprise was being repaired after Khan/Marcus pummeled it..
Spock spending time on nu vulcan during a break wouldn't end anything, and even in the Primo timeline, Spock packed up and whent to vulcan for Kholinar, and I doubt he would have returned to starfleet and Kirk and Co. if Vger wouldn't have happened.
Have Spock and Uhura pregnat or have a baby already and there exposing it to Vulcans
Have Kirk push himself back into Carrols life, and Davids life, atleast visiting and being a dad..
Have McCoy see his daughter, maybe something happen to the ex wife and he take care of her, or her joining starfleet and be on the Enterprise as an cadet medic.. and there interaction.. ( Karl is approching 50.. he can have a 20 year old kid..)
Have Sulu and Demora onboard
Heck, have all the kids onboard!! Have them test out having family's aboard..

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

I wonder what Kelvin Burnham is up to?

But perhaps she was on Vulcan when it was lost.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wonder what Kelvin Burnham is up to?

But perhaps she was on Vulcan when it was lost.

She's Captain of the Shenzhou

 

[fireproof78]

I wonder what Kelvin Burnham is up to?

But perhaps she was on Vulcan when it was lost.

Perhaps she is helping with the recolonization efforts.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I wonder what Kelvin Burnham is up to?

But perhaps she was on Vulcan when it was lost.

In this universe, she was adopted by Admiral Marcus and not Sarek when her parents died. She's Carol's evil sister, 100% dedicated to the Section 31 cause and wanting revenge for her father...

 

[Malaika]

I certainly don't expect to see an 'everyone is happy and nothing hurts' conflict-free story because ..come on.
However, I also believe balance is important and sometimes there is more than sufficient angst with the villain, or the fact the characters' life is in jeopardy, and you don't necessarily need to always have conflict and drama between the characters too. In a series, you get see more of those more peaceful moments that too develop the characters and their dynamics, and counterbalance other times where they have issues, but a movie has limited screentime and you barely get the chance to show a bit of those interactions so it would be nice if not all the movies had constant conflict only.

 

[Dales]

They'd need to ignore beyond, tho. Because the end suggested that the resolution of Kirk and Spock arcs was that the first would continue working as a captain of the enterprise, while Spock changed his mind about leaving starfleet and didn't join the new vulcan colony. If the next movie finds them away from the Enterprise, doing exactly what they changed their mind about doing in beyond, it feels like the last movie was useless and their character development from there doesn't matter. It might also feel like a repetition like they always get back to the same point.

However, there are many scenarios that could create a fallout between them.
Say Kirk sends Uhura to a dangerous mission where she almost dies and is badly injured (maybe she loses a kid, maybe she needs months of therapy to recover and be able to do her job again) along with Chekov and other crew members. Maybe it was to save their captain too. Spock had warned Kirk about the risks but he wouldn't listen to him and he underestimated the situation. Spock tries to but never forgives Kirk for that. Kirk doesn't forgive himself either. So they never really talk about it, they still try to do their duty but it makes things worse until an occasion arises and this issue comes out in full force. You don't need to separate the crew for that, they could all still work together (saved for Chekov who either died or he decided to leave starfleet because the experience was too traumatic and made him realize he wanted to do other things with his life) but that accident is something that tainted them all.

ehhhhh, I don't see this type of story happening in trek let alone Kirk and Spock who have a solid friendship established in pop culture for more than 50 years. this sounds like fan fiction.

The script needs to do the borg or the mirror universe and bring back the tone, style and intensity of star trek 2009.

She's Captain of the Shenzhou

I wonder what Kelvin Michael is up to, in the prime universe she is basically a chosen one mary sue figure. its to surreal to think she does not exist in kelvin universe.

 

[Malaika]

After st 2009, I was honestly waiting for them to deal with the fact that Vulcan got destroyed. The vulcan survivors surely must have asked some questions such as who destroyed their world and why. After all, they have the right to know what happened to their home world. It wouldn't surprise me if a group of vulcans started to be, well, hostile towards the romulans. It surely won't help relationships with them, even if they aren't responsible for what Nero did. Other planets of the federation may also get paranoid after what happened, especially if they discover about red matter...a bit like atomic bomb psychosis post Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Spock prime (and Kirk, and possibly kelvin Spock too) also knows about what might happen to Romulus in the future, such as the fact the supernova may destroy their world. If they are told about that now, they surely will have more time to find a new home like the vulcans and millions could be saved. Kelvin Nero will essentially be a different person or, more correctly, he may be the guy probably prime Nero once was before tragedy changed him.

There are characters from tos who might not even exist in the kelvin reality because of the destruction of vulcan or other events. This is an aspect that is never discussed when talking about the differences between the realities, but it's actually possible for people to NOT have an alternate reality version of themselves. Likewise, not all people that exist in this reality can necessarily exist in tos too.
It might be very naive for us to assume, for example, that Sulu's daughter here is the same character from prime. Personally, I tend to believe she's a different kid until proved otherwise.

 

[Nyotarules]

Revenge of the alpha male humanoid....again

 

[Nyotarules]

It might be very naive for us to assume, for example, that Sulu's daughter here is the same character from prime. Personally, I tend to believe she's a different kid until proved otherwise.

Probably, if Kelvin Sulu is the same age as Prime Sulu he is only 30 in Beyond, how old was the little girl? I suppose she could be recently adopted

 

[F. King Daniel]

Revenge of the alpha male humanoid....again

How about revenge of the beta male nonhumanoid?

He's just like this really passive-agressive blob thing they have to deal with for 2 hours.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How about revenge of the beta male nonhumanoid?

He's just like this really passive-agressive blob thing they have to deal with for 2 hours.

Yaphit?

 

[Malaika]

Probably, if Kelvin Sulu is the same age as Prime Sulu he is only 30 in Beyond, how old was the little girl? I suppose she could be recently adopted

She can be the biological child of Sulu or his husband too.
For her to be the same child from tos, not only her father must be Sulu (unless she was adopted in prime) but her other biological parent also must be the same. And even then, she might still not be the same kid. A human but naive assumption, especially when we know how much procreation is a matter of chance and we all just were the lucky, faster, swimmer.

 

[Nyotarules]

She can be the biological child of Sulu or his husband too.
For her to be the same child from tos, not only her father must be Sulu (unless she was adopted in prime) but her other biological parent also must be the same. And even then, she might still not be the same kid. A human but naive assumption, especially when we know how much procreation is a matter of chance and we all just were the lucky, faster, swimmer.

Well if Chekov can be born in a different year, then so can Demora Sulu lol (if she is Demora Sulu)