STAR TREK 4 BACK ON! Noah Hawley to write and direct

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by King Daniel Beyond, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. Armus

    Armus Commodore Commodore

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    ^They should work out a compromise. When Nicholas Meyer took over TWOK he used the cast but he made a very different movie than TMP. If the film is a success Hawley will have more clout for the next one.
     
  2. Malaika

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    The Pirates of the Caribbean franchise continued after the third movie with just Jack Sparrow and Barbossa from the original cast, but I'm not sure the same would work for trek. We don't have any character who can honestly carry a movie alone. I find Kirk's importance for example overrated..and I love Pine, his Kirk actually is my fav (gasp!), but he doesn't have the star power of someone like Johnny Depp, nor a character with the hilarious charm of Jack Sparrow. This cast works well together. I think you'd need Kirk, Spock, Uhura and Mccoy at least if you can't get them all back.

    Anyway, I hope that reaching a compromise doesn't mean Hawley is forced to use the existing cast and characters by the studio but he basically ditches the first trilogy and ruins what was done before. If so, I'd rather not get a continuation than getting a movie that ends up being useless as one or actually ruins the little fans of this trek still have. If you want to do that, better you make your own thing with a new cast and original characters.
     
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    While I disagree with the prime timeline being redundant, I agree with everything else here.

    I've long wanted the Kelvin timeline to be further explored. The idea of new Kirk/Spock/McCoy stories were you can push the envelope and not worry about brushing up with canon is intriguing to me. And even beyond the Kirk/Spock/McCoy/NCC-1701 crew dynamic, there's potential there with new characters set within the Kelvin Timeline - maybe not in theaters, but as a television show [now that Viacom and CBS are together].
     
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  4. Shaka Zulu

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    I don't like the design of the new Enterprise (the nacelle shape.)

    What is is with fans like yourself that you want to see the Prime Universe come back so much for?
     
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  5. M'Sharak

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    The underlined part does not adhere to the "post, not poster" idea I've asked you to work on.

    Try instead phrasing your question so that the personal / confrontational aspect is omitted altogether and the focus is entirely on the substance of the other poster's comment. I know you can do it.
     
  6. King Daniel Beyond

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  7. Malaika

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    Discovery doesn't need a movie. That's redundant. And really, a crossover with the kelvin timeline? Tbh that show messed up with time travel enough, in some ways it seems to conflict with the time travel device used in kelvin trek. For instance, the moment they introduced the real angel I just assume the discovery crew isn't in the prime timeline but, rather, another alternate reality. Tptb is obsessed calling it prime but in the reality of the story, it's impossible for the characters to know if Michael&co are part of the same reality tos spock&co were part of. Not to mention the ending. ..it's not plausible to just assume they are still in prime.
    Discovery doesn't need to interfere with the kelvin timeline too. It would get a tad ridiculous.
     
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  8. Gracewood

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    Michael&co are part of the same reality tos spock&co are part off. The episode If Memory serves makes that concrete canon that Disovery is a prime prequel of TOS.

    The ending of season 2 suggest they are still in prime.

    The problem with Discovery is, we don't know how well or popular the show actually is. I don't think Discovery is as popular as Stranger Things.

    CBS are not that keen on releasing the viewership by number, for all we know Discovery may be doing worse in ratings than Star Trek Enterprise.


    This is harder to believe than A Spock spin off:shrug:
     
  9. Khan 2.0

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    Discovery & Kelvin? Man that's something I just can't get excited about :(
     
  10. M'Sharak

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    No doubt the reason wegotthiscovered dot com is reporting the rumor. "Unlikely to far-fetched" seems to be their territory.
     
  11. Malaika

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    how can, in the reality of the story, the disco characters know for sure that they are part of that same reality, anyway? There are tons of possible realities. The characters wouldn't see themselves as part of an alternate reality either way because there isn't a default reality. Prime simply is the first one we watched. Had the kelvin trek characters never met Nero and Spock prime, they wouldn't even know the prime timeline existed and their reality is different compared to that one. To them, they never were part of an alternate reality. They are part of THE reality.

    But I'm not disputing canon. My point is, we know that it's prime because tptb says that - but if you still use quantum mechanics like kelvin trek did, going back in time and changing things makes you access to alternate realities. The notion that everything is still in prime in spite of a time traveler altering past, present and future is, somehow, 'naive' and less realistic for what we know now.
    In Discovery, the characters have the illusion of being able to control things that they shouldn't, realistically, be able to control.. and I don't see that working too well with kelvin trek and its rules.

    Also, with Discovery messing up with the future of Starfleet way too far in the future, I'd rather keep kelvin trek separate and thus not project the issues the disco characters have to face onto this reality too. The kelvin reality doesn't need to fight against the same villain, and I don't need the Discovery characters to 'save' this reality too if kelvin trek's 'destiny' doesn't have to be written the same way the prime timeline is, to begin with.
     
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    "Total BS that we just pulled out of our own hindquarters" is WGTC's bread & butter. They're awful.
     
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  15. Kpnuts

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    A Discovery movie in the works?

    Haha, sure.
     
  16. Kirk Prime

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    I'm going to guess no chance on that. Maybe a cameo, but the show can't be that popular given the forum in which it airs. How many subscribers does CBS have?

    The show left off in a place that if it never comes back, I don't really care. The best part of the show was Pike and Spock for me, and without them, meh.

    As for the Kelvin Timeline, I have no issue with a prime Kelvin crossover. In fact, I'd be all in if they were creative (like people playing dual roles or just recasting the TOS prime characters for that part of the movie).

    But Discovery? I just don't care.
     
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  17. fireproof78

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    Enough.
     
  18. CaptainXaviOfEarth

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    I reckon it will be a Discovery-adjacent film, and not set in the Kelvin timeline in the slightest.
     
  19. Malaika

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    Man, that 'I'm (he is)(they are) a real trek fan(tm)' narrative is exhausting.

    If it's still the kelvin timeline cast, no offense to the guy but I'd give Michael Giacchino up only for Hans Zimmer at this point, lol

    However, from Hawley's words his Trek isn't a sequel anyway...and if that is the case, who cares if he gets a new composer too, I guess. Assuming he gets a movie.
    I tend to believe Paramount&Co may want to use the current cast still, and they might thus disagree with this guy if he wants to make his own reboot.... but who knows? Maybe they want to hire him for a spin off anyway. I'd rather them not force him to make a sequel with this cast though because if he doesn't like the trilogy and isn't inspired by this trek, it might be counterproductive to give him the job.

    It's sad that it seems like Paramount&co cannot find a director and writers who like their thing and are truly inspired to continue it. It shouldn't, honestly, be that hard but for some reason it is and it's just a pity. I used to mostly blame the studio but I'm starting to think that struggle is an important layer in this situation.
    Going to self professed trek fanboys is useless, though.
     
  20. johnjm22

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    Yeah I don't care if a writer/director is a Star Trek fan, and I'm tired of hearing all the people behind Trek tell us what big fans they are. I only care if they're talented and inspired. You don't need to have been a Trek fan to make something good that's compatible with Star Trek canon and in the spirit of the franchise.

    For all my criticisms of JJ, I actually like that he was honest in saying he was never really a Trek fan.

    I think Star Trek is going to be like Batman from now on. Where it just gets rebooted every 5-10 years with new actors and each iteration is unrelated.
     
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