Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse
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Every series has liberally stolen and discarded bits and pieces of Star Trek history and lore. Discovery will be no different.
Nope. That paints a pretty dismal picture of Fuller to say he would flip a coin. I think he and his team knew their own minds and there were never any such odds. Any odds from our perspective were an illusion. Like science where consistent prediction and outcome are a better indication of reason and knowledge, the merits of the predictive argument - not the odds - are what count.
Just because there are three options doesn't mean that the odds are split evenly between them. When you go to a restaurant and order something off the menu, each item doesn't have an equal probability. The probabilities vary based on your tastes, price, etc.
According to the know-it-alls, there was no way, no how that the new series could possibly be in the Prime timeline. So, that equates to a very small probability in their minds. Funny that now they're trying to claim it was 50/50!
And, I believe you are wrong about the Prime universe losing money. Don't they still sell a ton of product based on the Prime universe?
Mr Awe
Considering the quality level of the last two Trek series on TV - I vote that we call it the "Sub Prime" timeline.
"The technology is too advanced!"
Now we have the Discovery.
"The technology is too primitive!"
I'd say it's mostly TOS merchandise, which is why I tended to think the most likely scenario for a future TV show would be another Kirk/Spock reboot.
Not primitive, just ugly. Franklin is much older and still cuter.
CBS has cited merchandising TOS as one of their bread and butter marketing pieces with TNG close behind. Given the recent Hallmark ornament announcement and the Precious Moment's Ornament, that doesn't appear to be changing any time soon.
Yep.
And, just for the Star Trek flavor
Yes, yes, technically, Spock is comparing two identical things in that scene, but it just felt so relevant
You didn't know that. You guessed right, big whoop.
Those who predicted prime tended to be more guarded about their prediction, knowing it could go either way. Most of the predictions that this would be in the JJ-Verse continuity, however, didn't phrase it as a guess. They put it forward as a fact and anyone who disagreed would get a flippant Cumbernope. The attitude was that Prime was played out and anyone who thought otherwise were out-of-touch purists who should just go sit in the corner and leave the Trek franchise for the next generation of fans raised on nuTrek. So I think those people should indeed eat humble-pie.
Indeed! It was far more obvious that a new Trek show would be set in the prime universe... The box office disappointment of Beyond is a reality check for people who think that NuTrek is the future for trek.
Nope!
Nope!
I haven't seen the movie yet, so I can make no guesses about poor box office performance, and indeed I have not done any fact check on whether the movie is actually financially disappointing. That said, inferring that the fact that the movie is in the nuTrek abramsverse universe may have affected performance is a pretty big assumption. And this is comes from someone (me) who feels distanced from their story because it's not in the Prime - our - universe, so I would be otherwise sympathetic to your claim. Is it your opinion or a documented link between abramsverse fatigue and poor box office?
I think he/she is being sarcastic, which is par for the course with these prime vs. nu debates.
You'd think I'd recognize sarcasm. I guess that's what the "Nope!" was for. Looking at the numbers now, I'm still not sure.
Particularly, since the general audience has no idea there is such a thing as "Prime" and "Kelvin" universes, or that they are somehow different.
I think they have a good idea, generally speaking, since much of the story in the Abrams' films revolved around it.
That being said, of course Discovery isn't a reaction to Beyond performing below par at the box office. The much more likely explanation is that we finally get a new, well-backed tv show because of the Abramsverse films. I don't particularly like them—and I can't stand JJ Abrams generally—but I'll always be grateful for that fact.
I do think the fact that they set the show in the prime universe indicates that the Abramsverse will be discarded once the current films have come to an end, though. It was an anomaly created because they wanted to capitalise on the fame of the old characters that had already gone down as important symbols in 20th century pop culture. For all the talk about 'doing something new' and 'not being burdened by canon' they actually borrowed heavily from 50 year old stuff. And that's part of the reason why I have a hard time accepting them personally. I would have been a lot more understanding if they had chosen to just go with new characters and do their own thing. But that isn't what nuTrek is about.
That being said, of course Discovery isn't a reaction to Beyond performing below par at the box office. The much more likely explanation is that we finally get a new, well-backed tv show because of the Abramsverse films. I don't particularly like them—and I can't stand JJ Abrams generally—but I'll always be grateful for that fact.
I do think the fact that they set the show in the prime universe indicates that the Abramsverse will be discarded once the current films have come to an end, though. It was an anomaly created because they wanted to capitalise on the fame of the old characters that had already gone down as important symbols in 20th century pop culture. For all the talk about 'doing something new' and 'not being burdened by canon' they actually borrowed heavily from 50 year old stuff. And that's part of the reason why I have a hard time accepting them personally. I would have been a lot more understanding if they had chosen to just go with new characters and do their own thing. But that isn't what nuTrek is about.
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