Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse

[Nyotarules]

Why exactly would they be commanding their own ships? Certainly Scott would insist "I'm an engineer, not a starship captain." And the others haven't done much to distinguish themselves from the many other Starfleet officers doubtless vying for command positions...

Scott became Captain Scott so he did get his own command. Off screen the other characters probably did distinguish themselves just as much as Sulu, who got his own command. Chekov was XO of the Reliant in 'STWOK', one heartbeat from the Captaincy. Spock was promoted to Captain by then as well. He never desired commanding an exploring ship, whether that was due to the personality of the character OR Shatner not wanting to be upstaged by Nimoy as Captain of USS X.who knows.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Scott became Captain Scott so he did get his own command. Off screen the other characters probably did distinguish themselves just as much as Sulu, who got his own command. Chekov was XO of the Reliant in 'STWOK', one heartbeat from the Captaincy. Spock was promoted to Captain by then as well. He never desired commanding an exploring ship, whether that was due to the personality of the character OR Shatner not wanting to be upstaged by Nimoy as Captain of USS X.who knows.

Captain is a rank not a job. One only need be promoted past commander to get there. I have no doubt there are captains in the supply corp, recruiting, engineering, medical, teaching, intelligence, all kinds of places who never commanded a ship. Folks like Scotty who's in the engineering services rather than the command track.

So far as calling the commanding officer of a ship, captain, goes one doesn't have to be of that rank. It's simply referring to the skipper of the boat. One could have asked who the captain was of the PT 109 though no one would have expected JFK to hold the exalted rank of captain on a ship that size. They'd just have been asking who the ship's commander was.

 

[hux]

Yep.

There's nothing wrong with liking movies the are unsophisticated, derivative bloated farts though so you know, own it. No need to be embarrassed.

 

[AviTrek]

Why exactly would they be commanding their own ships? Certainly Scott would insist "I'm an engineer, not a starship captain." And the others haven't done much to distinguish themselves from the many other Starfleet officers doubtless vying for command positions...

The real US military has an up or out policy. You can't just stay at the same level forever. Either you're promoted or you're dismissed/retired. There is always going be a narrowing of available positions as you go up the ranks. You can't keep everyone at the lower level around because it then creates a logjam and prevents more junior personnel from ever advancing. Uhura doing the same thing her entire career means one less job for a junior communications officer who might rise to become head of starfleet communications.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Captain is a rank not a job. One only need be promoted past commander to get there.

And sometimes not even that. We always used to see Jadzia (and, later, Worf) in command of the Defiant on DS9, and when they did that, both were called Captain - regardless of their actual rank of Lieutenant Commander. Same goes for Picard, who - IIRC - was also a LCDR when he first took command of the Stargazer.

(Side note: they could have - and, IMHO, should have - done the same with nuKirk. He was a Lieutenant for most of ST09, and when he was given the Enterprise, that could have come with a simple promotion to LCDR - and they could still call him Captain Kirk. But I digress. )

As for which timeline this new show will use: Exactly how will we KNOW which timeline it is?

Think about it. Fuller's not going to have a press release or a news conference or anything like that - he'll have to put it into an episode's plotline. And if the show starts in medias res, as it were, how long is it going to take before we find out which timeline this is? Could be quite a while.

Hell, they could go a whole SEASON without specifically telling us which one. Or possibly even the entire run of the series. In fact, they may never tell us - not even after the show's over.

(Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, of course. Could just get the fans thinking and arguing all the more.)

 

[Gov Kodos]

And sometimes not even that. We always used to see Jadzia (and, later, Worf) in command of the Defiant on DS9, and when they did that, both were called Captain - regardless of their actual rank of Lieutenant Commander. Same goes for Picard, who - IIRC - was also a LCDR when he first took command of the Stargazer.

Nice work missing the second paragraph.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

prime, or not prime, that is the question...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Nice work missing the second paragraph.

I didn't miss it. Your message implied that one has to be at least at the rank of Commander to be called the captain of a ship...

One only need be promoted past commander to get there.

...and I just gave examples of Lieutenant Commanders who qualified to be called Captain.

 

[eyeresist]

Continuing with the captain question, I'd think an officer would need command experience before getting to command a starship. Of the second bananas, only Scott really had experience commanding a team.
But I know, all sorts of wonderful things might have happened to the others - offscreen.

There's nothing wrong with liking movies the are unsophisticated, derivative bloated farts though so you know, own it. No need to be embarrassed.

I find sarcasm is more effectively when it's not also needlessly insulting and abusive. Just a tip.

 

[hux]

I find sarcasm is more effectively when it's not also needlessly insulting and abusive. Just a tip.

Who was insulted or abused other than films that are bloated farts?

I find passive-aggressive whining more effective when it's less whiney and 30% more moany. Just a tip.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

It will be set in the ADB-Verse: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Fleet_Universe

 

[Nerys Myk]

True they already know about Cardessian cocktails, maybe Gul Dukat is never born lol

Iloja of Prim was also a bartender.

 

[Mudd]

I find sarcasm is more effectively when it's not also needlessly insulting and abusive. Just a tip.

There's not much chance of improving hux's skills here, but kudos for trying.

 

[Trekkin]

hux, stop trying to make 'bloated fart' happen.

 

[eyeresist]

Thanks guys!
I was a bit wary before activating that gif, Hela. A file with keyword 'bloated fart' is 51% likely to be NSFW.

 

[hux]

It already happened, people. Embrace it. Into Darkness was the "Stop, or my mom will shoot" of Trek films.

 

[theREVENGEofKAHN]

Also a movie that helped revitalize the franchise, has multiple sequels, award winning, and talked about today: Star Trek Into Darkness.

Star Trek 2009 revitalized the franchise, Into Darkness won't have a sequel till this July, and its being talked about today because its only three years old. If in thirty years people are still talking about how great Into Darkness was and how it was not only the best Star Trek movie of all time but one of the best Sci-Fi movies of all time, you might have an argument. I doubt that will be the case since even the writer and director admit it has flaws.

 

[Chronos]

I really hope that it doesn't take place in the NuTrek timeline. We definitely don't need more Abrams-esque content in Trek. Into Darkness was cringe-worthy enough that I'm not even sure that I'll bother to watch Beyond.

If the new series is NuTrek then they will probably try to reboot TNG... complete with Action Picard, laser vision Geordi, swimsuit model Troi, pro wrestler Worf, Riker's beard, and Data with missile launchers coming out of his arms.

I can imagine the lens flares that would appear when Geordi is in a scene with a completely metallic Data.

 

[T'Girl]

I'm not even sure that I'll bother to watch Beyond

Personally I'm going to wait until it hits basic cable.



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[fireproof78]

Star Trek 2009 revitalized the franchise, Into Darkness won't have a sequel till this July, and its being talked about today because its only three years old. If in thirty years people are still talking about how great Into Darkness was and how it was not only the best Star Trek movie of all time but one of the best Sci-Fi movies of all time, you might have an argument. I doubt that will be the case since even the writer and director admit it has flaws.

I find this argument interesting, as most films have flaws that many writers and/or directors admit to. Lucas himself was admittedly unhappy with how the original Star Wars ended up.

I'm not saying Into Darkness is somehow a perfect film or is flawless, but knowing how self-critical writers and creators can be of their work, as well as how commentary in films can emerge over time I agree that time alone will tell.

As for a TV show, I think an Abrams era Trek could be most interesting as there are many implications of the technology and the challenges the Federation might face. While not mandatory I think that a post Star Trek Beyond series could explore a lot of consequences that may not have been shown on TV before.