Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse

[Nyotarules]

Apart from Chekov who was born four years earlier than his Prime counterpart just to get him on the ship, all the other Prime characters can still exist and have careers in Starfleet. Whether the balance of power changes between the various political bodies is another matter. I hope Cardessia invades Bajor, if it wasn't for that war they would still be a theocratic caste riddled society

 

[AviTrek]

According to what I've seen from the Fuller announcement, the show will be in the JJ-verse but on a new ship and independent of the movies.

Source? The only thing close to any mention of the plan I've seen is this quote from variety

The creative plan is for the series to introduce new characters and civilizations, existing outside of the mythology charted by previous series and the current movie franchises.

That's still fairly generic and could apply to anything. There have been some references to what Fuller has talked about in the past including TNG post JJ movies, but that was all Fuller speculation from years before he was hired. It's an indication of what Fuller might be thinking, but any plan will have to include input from Kurtzman, Kadin, and CBS.

 

[TheSeeker]

The new timeline simply means no Kirk's dad and no Vulcan. That is litterally the extent to the differences.

The differences are a lot more than that. History has started to diverge quite a bit already from what we have seen in the three movies. The basic foundation of the prime timeline is there but how things could play out is anyone's guess.

 

[Nyotarules]

The differences are a lot more than that. History has started to diverge quite a bit already from what we have seen in the three movies. The basic foundation of the prime timeline is there but how things could play out is anyone's guess.

True they already know about Cardessian cocktails, maybe Gul Dukat is never born lol

 

[hux]

The differences are a lot more than that. History has started to diverge quite a bit already from what we have seen in the three movies. The basic foundation of the prime timeline is there but how things could play out is anyone's guess.

You mean the history where Kirk, Spock, Chekov, Sulu, Scott and Uhuru ALL end up on the exact same ship with the exact same roles?

How the prime timeline could develop is also anyone's guess. The difference is, we haven't already seen a version of it. I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how re-telling old Trek stories but in a new way is somehow percieved as more original than simply telling new stories that haven't been seen at all, ever.

"Look, they've changed the Khan story slightly by using the exact same characters and themes and even the same visuals... How totally original of them to retread old ground like that."

 

[Draculasaurus]

The whole thing should just be Data's head under San Fransisco telling stories to rats 'cause he's bored.

 

[Dukhat]

Plus the original crew were getting on a bit and due to retire even in the star trek universe. It would be pathetic IMO for the gang to still be following Kirk around; Uhura, Scotty and Chekov deserved their own ships a loooong time ago.

True, and if TPTB had any foresight, they would have realized this and ended the TOS films with STIV instead of making STV. Or at the very least, make it clear at the end of STIV that Kirk was getting command of the new Ent-A, but that none of the others would be serving under him.

 

[Nyotarules]

True, and if TPTB had any foresight, they would have realized this and ended the TOS films with STIV instead of making STV. Or at the very least, make it clear at the end of STIV that Kirk was getting command of the new Ent-A, but that none of the others would be serving under him.

But Mr. Shatner wanted his moment in the director's chair hence STV redeemed by STVI! Even Takei had to demand Sulu stop sitting in that damn chair! It's a shame Ms Nichols never insist that Uhura be head of Starfleet Intelligence. Doohan demand he head up Starfleet Corps of Engineers and Koenig insist Chekov get his old as XO on the Reliant back, or even be its captain cos its not the norm for First officers to go back to their old posts as navigators.

 

[Dukhat]

Or, Paramount could have just released STV direct-to-video once they realized how shitty it was, and gave fans the option of treating it as only semi-canon based on the individual fan's personal preference. Or at worst, treat it as just a bean-induced dream of Kirk's

 

[Nyotarules]

Or, Paramount could have just released STV direct-to-video once they realized how shitty it was, and gave fans the option of treating it as only semi-canon based on the individual fan's personal preference. Or at worst, treat it as just a bean-induced dream of Kirk's

LOL
I like Sybok he redeemed himself, he was a nice baddie! Although young Sarek came across as racist bigot.

 

[Dukhat]

Luckily Sarek got redeemed in Star Trek '09.

 

[Nyotarules]

Luckily Sarek got redeemed in Star Trek '09.

Agreed.
If Prime Sarek was my dad I would have run away to join the navy as well. But I do like his portrayal in ST novels.

 

[eyeresist]

Plus the original crew were getting on a bit and due to retire even in the star trek universe. It would be pathetic IMO for the gang to still be following Kirk around; Uhura, Scotty and Chekov deserved their own ships a loooong time ago.

Why exactly would they be commanding their own ships? Certainly Scott would insist "I'm an engineer, not a starship captain." And the others haven't done much to distinguish themselves from the many other Starfleet officers doubtless vying for command positions...

"Look, they've changed the Khan story slightly by using the exact same characters and themes and even the same visuals...

But a totally different story.

 

[hux]

But a totally different story.

Your understanding of totally and of different are flawed. Totally different would involve, you know... something totally different. It was a derivative, bloated fart.

 

[eyeresist]

Your understanding of totally and of different are flawed. Totally different would involve, you know... something totally different. It was a derivative, bloated fart.

Gee, I guess the movies were identical: NuKirk was on a training cruise that got attacked by the Reliant. Then they went to a science station and found some dead bodies, then found the Genesis project inside an asteroid. There was a submarine-style battle inside a nebula, then NuKahn quoted Moby Dick and activated the Genesis device, which created a new (Nu) planet. You're right - the stories are exactly the same!!!

 

[hux]

But we both agree that passive aggressive hyperbole is top notch fun *rolls-eyes-to-signify-disagreement*.

No-one said they were identical. Into Darkness was warm, fleshy thought-meat hung on the skeleton of a beloved corpse.

 

[eyeresist]

Your understanding of totally and of different are flawed. Totally different would involve, you know... something totally different. It was a derivative, bloated fart.

 

[Mudd]

Your understanding of totally and of different are flawed. Totally different would involve, you know... something totally different. It was a derivative, bloated fart.

 

[Squiggy]

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Yes, I consider Wrath of Khan more successful because it helped revitalize the franchise, had at least 4 sequels, has been imitated by multiple other movies, is on many "best sci-fi movies of all time" lists, and we are still talking about it today.

Also a movie that helped revitalize the franchise, has multiple sequels, award winning, and talked about today: Star Trek Into Darkness.

 

[Trekkin]

But we both agree that passive aggressive hyperbole is top notch fun *rolls-eyes-to-signify-disagreement*.

How was it hyperbole? The last sentence is sarcastic as hell, but what part of the TWOK decription was exaggerated?

The most STID has in common with TWOK is two characters (one of which was already a recurring character before STID used them again), a characters death by warp core, and an ironic echo of maybe 5 lines.