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Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse

Michael Dorn says the new series isn't Captain Worf, and it set in the JJ-verse.http://www.treknews.net/2015/11/08/dorn-confirms-new-star-trek-not-captain-worf-series/

In al fairness, while I'm relatively sure this is true that the show will be in the JJverse, why would Dorn know anything? This article indicate it's based on what he read.

I would assume he doesn't know any more than we do at this point. Unless he's reading that super secret Star Trek cast blog that we don't get to see. :p
 
The issue with the JJ films is that there was zero plots. It was just a mangled wreckage of the 80's films. No plot, no originality and the film was carried on the fumes of the action sequences and special effects. The same lazy, mediocre staff seemed to be lined up poised to create what looks to be a ho-hum series.

They should ditch canon and start from scratch. And canon as in both the JJ jokiverse and the original 'timeline'. I doubt JJ's boy will have the imagination or temperament to do that though.
 
The issue with the JJ films is that there was zero plots. It was just a mangled wreckage of the 80's films. No plot, no originality and the film was carried on the fumes of the action sequences and special effects. The same lazy, mediocre staff seemed to be lined up poised to create what looks to be a ho-hum series.

They should ditch canon and start from scratch. And canon as in both the JJ jokiverse and the original 'timeline'. I doubt JJ's boy will have the imagination or temperament to do that though.



You're new, so I'll be less sarcastic than usual.

None of your arguments have anything to do with the setting, those are plot complaints. The thrust of the post was equivalent to me saying "Star Trek should have rebooted after 'Catspaw', because that episode was just so bad.'
 
It was a garbage plot. A mangle of the plots from the 80's movies mixed up in one lazy wreckage and passed off as a "plot" if you JJ-bots want to flap your arms about it.
 
Well, the size of the Enterprise IS important.

I say that as someone who really liked the JJ-movies:

The size of starships in the JJverse renders a lot of potential stories unusable: We usually see our main characters on away missions, and for battles they only have a handfull of people at disposal. That has to be expected for a smaller ship. The JJprise must have had at least four to five thousand people on it. There is really no need for the captain to beam over to the Narada to save Pike, when they could easily send an army of a few hundred redshirts over.

Likewise transwarp-beaming is seriously limiting story potential: Often, our heroes are captured on a primitive planet, while the Enterprise/Voyager/Defiant is light-years away. In the prime-verse our heroes have to help themselves. In the JJverse, Kirk is captured by Klingons on Kronos, submits a distress call, and is beamed back to earth. No real tension to fill an episode there. One or two movies get around those problems. But if they have to step around those obvious solutions on a weekly basis, audiences will get suspicious, and writers tired, because they have to invent even more technobabble to get around those limitations and put our heroes in harm.

As being said: The new series is probably not trying to reference too much previous history, because that's a frikk'n nightmare in either universe. The only real boundaries is internal consistency ("no beaming through shields!", "Photon torpedoes more powerfull than phasers!", "warp engines for interstellar travel vs. impulse engines for orbit and battle maneuvers"). And, since the JJverse avoided being a clean reboot, those rules are basically identical in both universes. I would even argue the JJverse demands more knowledge of Trek history than the prime universe (You can pretty much dive into TNG, VOY and ENT at the beginning of each without ANY knowledge of any previous series. The JJverse on the other hand requires you to basically know the plots and characters of 30-40 years old television episodes and movies to fully understand into Darkness)

On the other hand a series (veeeery loosely) set in the prime universe allows the guest appearence of lots of Trek guest stars (a Borg episode guest starring Jeri Ryan and LeVar Burton, Admiral Janeway headbutting with the new crew, Quark helping our heroes during an undercover mission). Although that shouldn't be overdone, more in the vain of how Scotty, Spock and Sarek appeared on TNG or Picard on DS9. But it would allow for cross-promotion with the old series (who will try to find new audiences on CBS access, too), while in the JJverse they would basically only be allowed to reference a handfull of movies, and guest appereances would be much more costly (because those are movie-actors) if not downright impossible.

One thing is certain: We will never see the ramifications of the Dominion War or either Romulus or Vulcan being destroyed. While those were huge in-universe events, they are hardly known outside the core fan base.

The logical solution therefore would be an arms-length-reboot. Something that's officially set in the prime universe, but looks and feels like the JJverse. In the same way TNG was officially a continuation of TOS, while in reality it was more of a reboot of the same concept with new characters.

That being said, this would require the producers to actually be clever, and allowing for ambiguity in the setting. Two things Hollywood-producers aren't exactly known for...
 
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You thought understaffing was the reason Kirk was always the one to beam into danger?


...Actually, you might have a point. He did manage to kill off an average of 5 underlings per week. Over a five year period, that would start cutting into the personnel.
 
You thought understaffing was the reason Kirk was always the one to beam into danger?


...Actually, you might have a point. He did manage to kill off an average of 5 underlings per week. Over a five year period, that would start cutting into the personnel.

Yup, understaffing WAS the reason. Although to be fair: understaffing of the television-producers, because they couln't pay an army of extras every week :lol:

(But to be honest: traditionally Star Trek worked like an 18th century exploration ship: A huge crew to maintain basic functions of the ship. A very small amount of officers to lead and leave the ship, officially handling stuff, having the authority/education to do science and negotiate with aliens etc. In the JJverse the Enterprise has the dimensions of a Star Destroyer from Star Wars, there should be enough room to have an expert on handling the bugs in the kitchen on board. The only reason Kirk was doing all his stuff solo instead of sending an army the size of a small city was out of pure recklessness, and not because he and Spock were the most qualified persons available for the job.)
 
I'd say the real reason was more 'How do we get Shatner's mug and tight little pants in more shots.'

After seeing Picards defensive force in FC, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of Starfleet crews were phaser-phobic scientists, engineers and assigned monster chow. They had about a dozen people at most, including the bridge crew and a imported Worf!
 
Michael Dorn says the new series isn't Captain Worf, and it set in the JJ-verse.
Well, everyone knew it wouldn't be a Captain Worf series. As for it being set in the JJverse I'll still wait and see.

That said if it does indeed end up being set in the JJverse than any interest I had will immediately drop to zero.
 
"We don't want to be bogged down by 700+ hours of continuity!" I am sick and tired of hearing this excuse. You don't want to be bogged down by that? Great! Don't work on Star Trek!

Then I submit you don't understand the problem. There's a question of accessibility to new fans. Also, starting over from scratch allows you to use the core ideas of the franchise without having to maintain continuity with a large number of in-universe events, many of them silly.

That, and a lot of Trek's continuity is just bad - unimaginative, cobbled together on the fly to meet the demands of a particular story or production concern at a given moment. Much of it is outdated as well.

A good rethinking of the thing would just flat-out improve it.

Continuing to copy the minutiae of past continuity without thinking is just lazy writing. ;)
 
Hey, how about instead of setting the next Star Trek in one of the two currently enumerated "Star Trek universes" they set it series in our universe - you know, one where people behave something like the way people behave and where some things have happened since 1966?

I mean, granted that introducing any semblance of reality into Trek at this point would totally fuck all "canon..." ;)
 
Kurtzman is a hired gun who doesn't do Star Trek well. I hope he can set it in the Kurtzmanverse though.
 
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