Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse
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Did you close your eyes every time Chris Pine and Zoe Saldana were on screen?
They could always take a page out of DS9's 'how to save on costs' handbook and use the Voyager and Enterprise-D models.
I can't remember exactly, but didn't they fuck up once and leave Voyager's registry number on one?
They could always take a page out of DS9's 'how to save on costs' handbook and use the Voyager and Enterprise-D models.
I can't remember exactly, but didn't they fuck up once and leave Voyager's registry number on one?
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Except the cash cow is still the prime universe. That's part of why the reboot wasn't allowed to wipe the prime continuity a planned, and the media tie ins for new movie didn't happen as bad robot wanted. Shatner still sells better than pine, long term.
The movies make box office money and that's about it...even the toy range is comparatively small.
The long term...cow...is literally the prime universe, as it keeps giving milk. The reboot turns up every few years and wins a rosette, but it's Shatnerkirk, Picard, Janeway, Sisko and even Archer who keep the farm ticking over (there's something like what....20 plus toy type merchandise from prime line released in a year, to about..2..from the reboot. There's about 10 books to zero. The only trek video game making money is prime universe based, the reboot one...was a bit of a failure. And another prime universe one has just launched, even the mobile app has moved on to make money by embracing voyager. Blue Ray sales.....well, I suspect prime universe makes more money than the reboot there, even if it's not enough to justify making ds9 remasters. In short, the smart money, to move merchandise, to emulate the success of the Mu over at Disney, is to realise they already had a cross media success back in 97 and resurrect that.)
I would add that us thirty somethings are the new target market at the moment....which is why almost every thing is a nineties return or reboot at the moment. And stuff like Dark Matter and Defiance over on sci-fi owe more to shows from that era than they do to game of thrones (which is itself a nineties thing that grew in popularity with late gen x early gen y)
Prime universe is smart money, and has even less continuity problems than the jj movies to worry about, as next gen itself demonstrated by not having to worry about being bound up by Tos.
Any writer worried about being constrained by a continuity in an established universe shouldn't be writing for one. Established characters might cause a headache. But Trek isn't about established characters. It's about setting and theme. Bashirs genetic status had as much influence on voyager as Rikers beard had on Sisko.
The only time continuity became an issue was enterprise, and that's why prequels are almost never a good idea.
Prime universe is smart money, and has even less continuity problems than the jj movies to worry about, as next gen itself demonstrated by not having to worry about being bound up by Tos.
Any writer worried about being constrained by a continuity in an established universe shouldn't be writing for one. Established characters might cause a headache. But Trek isn't about established characters. It's about setting and theme. Bashirs genetic status had as much influence on voyager as Rikers beard had on Sisko.
The only time continuity became an issue was enterprise, and that's why prequels are almost never a good idea.
I thought it was Orci's idea to keep the Prime universe intact and branch off. I think somone involved in STO did once mention that they planned to erase the 'Prime' timeline by having the time-travel work First Contact style, but I don't think that was ever verified and I think it's a bit unlikely (he implied it was so the movie wouldn't contradict the game). Even then, he made it sound like it was just a concept brought up when they were spitballing ideas.
There was another rumour that the Kelvin was originally meant to be the TOS Enterprise and Paramount vetoed that, but again as far as I know it was just hearsay.
It was years ago and I might be remembering wrong, but I just don't think CBS would have done much if Bad Robot gone for just a regular reboot back in 07/08. As the past's giant gaps in on-screen content have shown, it doesn't need to be onscreen for them to make Primeline merch and rake in the $$$. It's a commercial product - just because a story ends doesn't mean it ceases to exist as giant cash cow.
The lack of merch and novels for the Abrams films was apparently a creative choice that we don't know the finer details of (and it's been debated many-a-time in the Lit forum). There was a few figures and models back in 09 that didn't do great, but that might have had something to do with them being pretty shoddy, as opposed to lack of interest (I liked the movies and even I didn't want them). It does have a comic series that's ran consistently since 2009/10, and its sales went down when they put on its cover that it was crossing over with the Prime continuity (DS9 and Q). It might have been a coincidence, but it was noticed.
There was another rumour that the Kelvin was originally meant to be the TOS Enterprise and Paramount vetoed that, but again as far as I know it was just hearsay.
It was years ago and I might be remembering wrong, but I just don't think CBS would have done much if Bad Robot gone for just a regular reboot back in 07/08. As the past's giant gaps in on-screen content have shown, it doesn't need to be onscreen for them to make Primeline merch and rake in the $$$. It's a commercial product - just because a story ends doesn't mean it ceases to exist as giant cash cow.
The lack of merch and novels for the Abrams films was apparently a creative choice that we don't know the finer details of (and it's been debated many-a-time in the Lit forum). There was a few figures and models back in 09 that didn't do great, but that might have had something to do with them being pretty shoddy, as opposed to lack of interest (I liked the movies and even I didn't want them). It does have a comic series that's ran consistently since 2009/10, and its sales went down when they put on its cover that it was crossing over with the Prime continuity (DS9 and Q). It might have been a coincidence, but it was noticed.
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Here's how I see it:
Things that speak for the new series being in the Prime Universe:
Established History, needs no making up and can be visited from time to time.
Long term Fans know the deal, new audiences can slowly be brought in by having the show far enough away (25th century?) from the other shows.
CBS owns and makes money of the prime universe by selling merchandise and episodes. This can be an add on.
Against:
All sets and props of the TV Shows have been destroyed or auctioned off, so everything has to be made from scratch.
700+ hrs of Television and Movies have to be considered.
The guy in charge knows how to successfully reboot a show (Hawaii 5-0).
New viewers do not necessarily need previous knowledge about Star Trek.
All races and events can be reinvented.
For the JJ-Verse:
Movies are the most successful Star Trek Motion Pictures ever and brought in new audiences.
Some sets and technology can be reused (including a cheap ale in engeneering after the work is done...)
The Guy in charge was involved with the Nu movies.
Series will show new characters and a new ship. Does not contradict the Movies showing the big E.
Against JJ-Verse:
To much and complicated syncing with paramount.
CBS and Paramount did not work together as JJ previously planned (See his plans with Star Wars).
Technology is already too advanced - one of the core issues that led to not continue in Prime (at least that is what the Producers said).
Props and Sets are owned by Paramount. They need to be bought or leased.
At this point, there is just too many possibilities and not enough solid information. I hope that in the near future the Powers that be at least reveal this Information. As this seems to be the fact that is concerning all the fans the most. And the fans are the ones this show is made for, first (according to the press release). So at least this much should be communicated pretty soon.
Because there will be haters. If it is in Prime, the NuTrekkies will hate on it. If it is in Nu, the old Trekkies will hate on it. If it is a reboot, everyone has their doubts. All I really hope for, is that this time there will be a clear unequivocally explanation what this series is. Not the Pre-Se-Reboot-Not Reboot-quel, the NuVerse turned out to be.
I know some people see it different. But alone those endless discussions on this board show that it was - and is still- not clear where the JJ-Trek films have to be placed. Neither in trek-history nor in quantum realities.
Things that speak for the new series being in the Prime Universe:
Established History, needs no making up and can be visited from time to time.
Long term Fans know the deal, new audiences can slowly be brought in by having the show far enough away (25th century?) from the other shows.
CBS owns and makes money of the prime universe by selling merchandise and episodes. This can be an add on.
Against:
All sets and props of the TV Shows have been destroyed or auctioned off, so everything has to be made from scratch.
700+ hrs of Television and Movies have to be considered.
The guy in charge knows how to successfully reboot a show (Hawaii 5-0).
New viewers do not necessarily need previous knowledge about Star Trek.
All races and events can be reinvented.
For the JJ-Verse:
Movies are the most successful Star Trek Motion Pictures ever and brought in new audiences.
Some sets and technology can be reused (including a cheap ale in engeneering after the work is done...)
The Guy in charge was involved with the Nu movies.
Series will show new characters and a new ship. Does not contradict the Movies showing the big E.
Against JJ-Verse:
To much and complicated syncing with paramount.
CBS and Paramount did not work together as JJ previously planned (See his plans with Star Wars).
Technology is already too advanced - one of the core issues that led to not continue in Prime (at least that is what the Producers said).
Props and Sets are owned by Paramount. They need to be bought or leased.
At this point, there is just too many possibilities and not enough solid information. I hope that in the near future the Powers that be at least reveal this Information. As this seems to be the fact that is concerning all the fans the most. And the fans are the ones this show is made for, first (according to the press release). So at least this much should be communicated pretty soon.
Because there will be haters. If it is in Prime, the NuTrekkies will hate on it. If it is in Nu, the old Trekkies will hate on it. If it is a reboot, everyone has their doubts. All I really hope for, is that this time there will be a clear unequivocally explanation what this series is. Not the Pre-Se-Reboot-Not Reboot-quel, the NuVerse turned out to be.
I know some people see it different. But alone those endless discussions on this board show that it was - and is still- not clear where the JJ-Trek films have to be placed. Neither in trek-history nor in quantum realities.
Or they could just never mention anything that would indicate which universe the shows set in (aka Vulcan, The Kelvin or Romulus), and let it slowly drive a good chunk of us nuts.
"It's the Nuverse! The Constitution looks exactly the same as the movie Enterprise!"
"That's just the updated aesthetic and the need to cut costs! You have no proof!"
"RAAARGH"
"GAAAH!"
Repeat until the sun goes nova.
"It's the Nuverse! The Constitution looks exactly the same as the movie Enterprise!"
"That's just the updated aesthetic and the need to cut costs! You have no proof!"
"RAAARGH"
"GAAAH!"
Repeat until the sun goes nova.
Or they could just never mention anything that would indicate which universe the shows set in (aka Vulcan, The Kelvin or Romulus), and let it slowly drive a good chunk of us nuts.
"It's the Nuverse! The Constitution looks exactly the same as the movie Enterprise!"
"That's just the updated aesthetic and the need to cut costs! You have no proof!"
"RAAARGH"
"GAAAH!"
Repeat until the sun goes nova.
I like that idea. They could even refer to a Vulcan, but people might think it refers to a new Vulcan, just like how they think Qo'noS was two different places.Or, they could keep it open, giving themselves as much creative room to manoeuvre as possible. This would allow them to have future episodes with time-travel and universe-hops to prime universe and the JJ-verse.
Also, I don't know if it has been discussed but maybe it could be set in the mirror universe in the 24th century?
Also, I don't know if it has been discussed but maybe it could be set in the mirror universe in the 24th century?
I'm guessing it will probably be closer to the JJ films than the Prime universe. They can at least use the original source material in creative ways by doing so. The Prime universe is bogged down by canon to point where Enterprise did a Borg episode, which was one of their better episodes, and they couldn't let the crew hear that they're called the Borg.
I'd rather have interesting and creative stories, than a narrow list of events and characters that have to follow a set timeline or the fictional history won't make sense. None of it is real anyway, as long as it makes sense in the context of the story and it's entertaining I'm happy.
I'd rather have interesting and creative stories, than a narrow list of events and characters that have to follow a set timeline or the fictional history won't make sense. None of it is real anyway, as long as it makes sense in the context of the story and it's entertaining I'm happy.
I would add: as long as it resembles the Trek ethos. Someone upthread mentioned Andromeda done right. I found Andromeda to be too superficial when compared to Trek. I would want the look and feel of Trek to be maintained with any setting that gives as much creative room to manoeuvre as possible.
Could be interesting. I don't know if CBS'd take ST: Online into consideration.
I'd like some evidence that the casual viewer gives a damn about which universe this stuff is in.
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