Star trek 13 villain

[JWPlatt]

We need a 12-step program for the Borgaholics. Obviously, they can't do it on their own. Or just nuke them from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.

 

[M'Sharak]

We need a 12-step program for the Borgaholics. Obviously, they can't do it on their own. Or just nuke them from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.

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[anh165]

The Enterprise is the 4th biggest character in Trek after Kirk, Spock and Bones IMO, and I think she got a raw deal in the last movie

The Enterprise did not get any raw deal, she (the crew) came out on top against the odds which is what we all know and love about the crew of the Enterprise.

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.

I'm sorry but the enterprise got a new arsehole tore in STID, she did'nt even get a shot off!

So what?

If the Enterprise was depicted with the ability to look good and fire back and tussle with the Vengeance, then that will kill the effectiveness of the story. All the suspense and the severity of how out matched the crew of the Enterprise were would have been hidden away in the cloud of 2 cgi ships exchanging blows.

They defeated Khan by using what he wanted against him, not by firing back or through technobabble.

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical

I just knew some magic was in effect.

I think the spell in question was Dispel Any Other Federation Ships ( Especially Ones With Tractor Beams ). That's a complicated incantation, though.

Artistic license.

Do you honestly think the scene of the Enterprise falling to the ground would have worked dramatically with a ship wandering into orbit and activating the tractor beam?

Kirk dies for no reason whilst trying to save the ship and
Spock composes himself and opens a conversation with the other ship, "Thanks very much Captain nobody, there is a man on the loose, can you beam him into the brig?"

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.

Dude. Really? Even the massive fleet battles from DS9?

I found that those space battles were visual filler - we get the gist of story in DS9, evil aliens want to kill all Earthlings, but spread across 30 episodes of CGI ships shooting at each other and only to have the entire conflict resolved by a swift use of a deus ex machina.

So yes, the Enterprise not firing at villains seems to irk some who expect phasers, evasive patterns, psuedo-tactics and last ditch technobabble, but creatively the scene of the Enterprise not fighting back worked for the story as the crew (esp Kirk) were to be tested to their limit and the Enterprise was not in a state where she can solve their problems.

 

[Set Harth]

Do you honestly think the scene of the Enterprise falling to the ground would have worked dramatically with a ship wandering into orbit and activating the tractor beam?

It'll be delivered on Tuesday!!!

 

[Smellmet]

The Enterprise did not get any raw deal, she (the crew) came out on top against the odds which is what we all know and love about the crew of the Enterprise.

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.

I'm sorry but the enterprise got a new arsehole tore in STID, she did'nt even get a shot off!

So what?

If the Enterprise was depicted with the ability to look good and fire back and tussle with the Vengeance, then that will kill the effectiveness of the story. All the suspense and the severity of how out matched the crew of the Enterprise were would have been hidden away in the cloud of 2 cgi ships exchanging blows.

They defeated Khan by using what he wanted against him, not by firing back or through technobabble.

A few shots before being overwhelmed wouldn't have hurt one bit

 

[M'Sharak]

The Enterprise did not get any raw deal, she (the crew) came out on top against the odds which is what we all know and love about the crew of the Enterprise.

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.

I'm sorry but the enterprise got a new arsehole tore in STID, she did'nt even get a shot off!

So what?

If the Enterprise was depicted with the ability to look good and fire back and tussle with the Vengeance, then that will kill the effectiveness of the story. All the suspense and the severity of how out matched the crew of the Enterprise were would have been hidden away in the cloud of 2 cgi ships exchanging blows.

They defeated Khan by using what he wanted against him, not by firing back or through technobabble.

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical

I just knew some magic was in effect.

I think the spell in question was Dispel Any Other Federation Ships ( Especially Ones With Tractor Beams ). That's a complicated incantation, though.

Artistic license.

Do you honestly think the scene of the Enterprise falling to the ground would have worked dramatically with a ship wandering into orbit and activating the tractor beam?

Kirk dies for no reason whilst trying to save the ship and
Spock composes himself and opens a conversation with the other ship, "Thanks very much Captain nobody, there is a man on the loose, can you beam him into the brig?"

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.

Dude. Really? Even the massive fleet battles from DS9?

I found that those space battles were visual filler - we get the gist of story in DS9, evil aliens want to kill all Earthlings, but spread across 30 episodes of CGI ships shooting at each other and only to have the entire conflict resolved by a swift use of a deus ex machina.

So yes, the Enterprise not firing at villains seems to irk some who expect phasers, evasive patterns, psuedo-tactics and last ditch technobabble, but creatively the scene of the Enterprise not fighting back worked for the story as the crew (esp Kirk) were to be tested to their limit and the Enterprise was not in a state where she can solve their problems.

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[Kelthaz]

I have only watched it once, but didn't the last film conclude with war against the Klingons being prevented? Sure, its a bit embarrassing for the Klingons to have their home world "invaded" so easily etc, but even they would have to admit Earth paid a much higher price to rein in Marcus and co.

If the Klingons were going to attack, wouldn't they have done so by the end of the last film? Isn't a quick response more in keeping with their nature? OK, I suppose things could just be simmering for a while, but I don't see war with the Klingons as the inevitable direction the last film was heading in, more the reverse. Of course it may be a temptation the writers can't resist.

Maybe the Klingons just weren't ready for a war at the time.

 

[UFO]

Maybe the Klingons just weren't ready for a war at the time.

That's certainly possible. Its just that with Kirk and Co off on a five year mission and no one even mentioning how upset the Klingons are, war clouds don't appear to be exactly gathering. By and large, the last movie ended on a pretty positive note didn't it?

Which is not to say there won't be war with the Klingons or they won't be involved somehow of course.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I think the NuTrek 3 villain will be Starfleet itself. They will decide to become an expansionist empire, using the super transporters to beam across the quadrant to invade other worlds, whilst Khan-Blood injections will keep their army going strong and resurrecting them when they are shot down, making the Starfleet ground forces pretty much unstoppable.

 

[Smellmet]

Interesting idea, but unlikely methinks

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think the NuTrek 3 villain will be Starfleet itself. They will decide to become an expansionist empire, using the super transporters to beam across the quadrant to invade other worlds, whilst Khan-Blood injections will keep their army going strong and resurrecting them when they are shot down, making the Starfleet ground forces pretty much unstoppable.

Kirk was in recovery for 2 weeks. I don't think it's much use in the field.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Kirk was in recovery for 2 weeks. I don't think it's much use in the field.

Kirk also had a full body lethal radiation massage. The blood might be somewhat more effective against stab wounds and phaser burns.

 

[Khan444]

It's also possible that the Klingons are just biding their time and waiting for the right time to strike.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Kirk was in recovery for 2 weeks. I don't think it's much use in the field.

Kirk also had a full body lethal radiation massage. The blood might be somewhat more effective against stab wounds and phaser burns.

Ah yes but as a convenient plot device it can be as magical as the writers want/need it to be, so whose to say that with some 23rd century tinkering it couldn't help a ground-pounder regrow a limb

 

[Rory1080p]

they should have a new badguy/alien as a threat instead, largely because I tend not to think of the "nu-Trek" films as canon, more as standalone non canon action sci-fi films, that's the only way I can really enjoy them, as action films set in an alternate Trek verse but not directly part of the Star Trek franchise.

 

[YARN]

That's the problem with new Star Trek thinking. It's more concerned with "villains" than with "concepts."

 

[Hythlodeus]

That's the problem with new Star Trek thinking. It's more concerned with "villains" than with "concepts."

and that differs how exactly from previous Star Trek movies?

 

[YARN]

That's the problem with new Star Trek thinking. It's more concerned with "villains" than with "concepts."

and that differs how exactly from previous Star Trek movies?

TMP was a true sci-fi concept. TWoK is meditation on aging, death, and renewal. The Genesis Device (creating and destroying at the same time) is an interesting sci-fi concept which is paid off in Trek III, where the answer is that there are no short-cuts to evolution and it asks questions about the soul/identity. Star Trek IV is ecologically minded (one of the most well-loved of the films, although it doesn't feature big space battles or fight scenes). Star Trek V is high-minded (do we need our pain? what would qualify one as God), although goofy and poorly executed. The Undiscovered Country is familiar grist for the mill (e.g., latent racism, fear of change).

The TNG movies have some legit concepts, but admittedly get progressively action-minded. The later films deserve a fair share of the blame for why we're speculating about which revenge-driven meglomaniac will show up in the next big black dreadnaught.

What are the "big concepts" in nuTrek? There are bigger ships, but apart from Kirk having to learn to play by the rules while ultimately being rewarded breaking them seems to be about it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I guess you somehow missed the flat condemnation of America's warfare policies? It was a modern day allegory.


And I think you mean "The Changeling" is a "true sci-fi concept", not TMP.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

TMP turned "The Changeling" inside out, transforming the monster-of-the-week into the story's true protagonist.