'Twas referring to the New Ship. New Crew. New Century. idea in the post I quoted
Is It Time for a Bold New Star Trek Paradigm?
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See post #7:
"Yes Voyager touched on the idea of being far from familiar Trek space. But Voyager still very much felt like a continuation of the TNG era — similar tone, structure, and plenty of crossover with known species and concepts. It was essentially a “lost in space” series, not a clean break. Which highlights what I’m really getting at."
I guess if not a paradigm shift then something that has it's own ground-up identity in the same lines TNG was to TOS.
Baseline- new crew with ALL original characters not tied to any Legacy characters. The new galaxy thing was just something I suggested as something that would set this show apart . Maybe getting inspiration from things like Dune, Intesteller, Arrival, For all Mankind etc . Not lost or trying getting to get home " but charting the unlimited possibility of existence " to paraphrase Q. Maybe a long form exploration of what we saw in TNG's "Where No one has gone before "
Then do Section 31 style movies limited series or CGI animation series to focus/build on on established Legacy/established canon storylines. Same way the novels did to with prior Trek.
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You can see TOS's DNA all over TNG. It developed it's own identity, but it wasn't from the ground up.
Disco tried it.
The fans screamed, "But what about caNoN?" So they brought in Pike and Spock.
People are not comfortable with the completely unfamiliar. They need something they can hold on to (TNG was controversial when it first premiered. TOS fans were screaming, "There can be no Trek without Kirk and Spock!")
Ground up on characters. Early TNG production had a goal of not trying to overtly build off of established Trek characters or canon. Ofcourse we can debate how successful they were. Unification was a anniversary event, and then some one offs with Sarek and Relics . But they still strived to develop their own tone that stood apart . Yes it had the "home key" basic elements. Bridge crew, on a ship exploring space, transporters, human condition exploration. If you doing a prequel I get it . Then you almost have to make connections to established Trek. But a new show set in the future, or far from intersecting into upcoming established timeline , you are more free for diverse settings and characters.
The characters are mix and match versions of TOS characters with the serial numbers partially rubbed off.
For me personally, there was a fresh Take on the Star Trek universe with TNG . A direction that I think most fans were polled in the 80s would instead be asking to see more direct continuance from the TOS characters/timeline.
But today we are getting allot reaction of like :" We like this show , let's do another show based off this character" Spinoffs of Spinoffs. Let's get Paul Wesley Kirk Show, let's get a Seven show. Fans want a show based on character X.
We already had a Pike show , ( om a fan of it) a Picard show etc. So we are all being reactionary to making a new show based on somethingin from an existing show- directly.
We have done that recently and I'm fine with it,....but
...How about (now) we use streaming movies, limited series and animation for existing trek. But try to be more distinct with long form tv series.
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Starfleet Academy has The Doctor (Voyager), Jett Reno (Disco), and Tilly (also Disco).
You can't pretend that sixty years of history doesn't exist.
Yes, because people want the familiar. They do not want bold or dynamic but comfort food viewing.
Life blows as is. People want to be entertained. People want to escape.
Maybe we should just have a new, sometimes optimistic show about people exploring space and having adventures and it doesn't have to be related to Star Trek at all. Continuity and canon at this point is confining, and a lot of the premise made to make sci fi work on 60's TV doesn't work well now except in a retrofuture way.
People would be calling it a "clone of Star Trek."
All creative process is inspired by previous works. As long as it's not outright parody, which has been done a couple of times, thats fine. But it also needs to be different.
"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief
All kill their inspiration and sing about the grief" -U2, "the Fly"
Case in point: Expanse is about a crew on a warship that also gets involved in exploration, first contact, and diplomacy, even set in the same basic time frame as Star Trek. It's EXTREMELY darker than Star Trek, and it tries, when it wants to, to pay attention to the laws of physics, or at least explains when alien tech is violating it. Has a do-right moral compass captain, a cranky engineer, a devil-may-care pilot. But it's not star trek, not remotely.
I agree 100 percent. I'm guilty of that my self. It's like eating allot of the same high calories food. But I think have finally 'seen the light". And im Ready for something not tied to somthing else.
Something that the showrunners can say" We are a doing a brand new iteration of Trek and will have it's own distinct characters. " ( and really mean it).
Anew show can still reference previous Treks but not overtly. And like I sad, you can still do Prodigy style animation or other projects to delve deeper into established lore.
What isn't demonstrated is financial viability.
Does it have Tilly? I haven't seen a whisper of her in the promo material.
All of this would be fine — and all of it would be exactly the same if the ship was simply in the next random unexplored patch of ten million stars within the Milky Way. Which is unimaginably large as it is. So there would literally be no difference.
THIS I am all for. Though I think the main problem with “confining canon” isn’t so much the canon itself, as the inevitable nerdrage when somebody thinks it’s been violated in episode 2. Which is honestly a reasonable argument for not making franchises at all, just individual standalone works — but of course economics counters that, since building an audience over time generally requires more stuff.
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"We can't afford it" to me is not something I buy as the main reason for not doing something that is not involving familiar characters or timelines. And if that is the reason, we'll then hopefully sometime in the future , an entity that owns Star Trek will have that financial might. I'm pretty sure if you used all your eggs in the basket together, with the budget of Picard, Discovery and SNW, you could have had a budget to do one thing with more ambition. But again I'm fine and like that those series existed. Just think it's time to move on from direct- character spinoff and the like. I'm not saying do Foundation or anything big budgeted, but I think, with creative vision, you can potentially get a new vision either via big budget or safer budget. Im not versed in what needs to happen, have the direct path or connections in the industry. I admit that.
But if the new incoming owners of Star Trek had the budget to ...let's say "Make 3 new Star Trek shows " like Kurtzman had/has been given Discovery, SNW, Picard, and Academy.... I would ( if was at the top) sit and use that cumulative budget and wait for a pitch to make one show that would be this era's "TNG" . Something that stands on its own. If that means no trek for a few years so be it. I would do that. But hey I'm just a fan with my own musings.
Practical of not, I think I'm ready for a new vision of Trek.
But if the new incoming owners of Star Trek had the budget to ...let's say "Make 3 new Star Trek shows " like Kurtzman had/has been given Discovery, SNW, Picard, and Academy.... I would ( if was at the top) sit and use that cumulative budget and wait for a pitch to make one show that would be this era's "TNG" . Something that stands on its own. If that means no trek for a few years so be it. I would do that. But hey I'm just a fan with my own musings.
Practical of not, I think I'm ready for a new vision of Trek.
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The one distinct difference in my mind, is that 2 million light years alters the dynamic between your starship and Starfleet. In other words, contacting home base would be far, far harder than it was for Voyager. This appeals to me, as it evokes the early travelers to uncharted places, with no way to call home. The Milky Way would be Europe, and Andromeda would be the Americas.
Unless this is going to be an early 25th century show, or not long after Voyager in relative terms, but that goes against the OP's desire to not have legacy characters. If you just go ahead and have it close Picard, sure, there's enough of this galaxy left to explore. Loads in fact, and that would be fun too.
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