Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Qonundrum, Feb 3, 2021.
Thanks a lot, Ricky B.
I was 13/14 at the time at I didn't realize at the time that the tight clothes was done on purpose as a sexual thing. I just thought Jeri Ryan was hot no matter what she was in and really wanted her to get a uniform later on as a symbolic character progression.
She would have been no less sexy to teen me if she had a uniform and she looks beautiful in Picard
I guess that's the difference to me. She is not attractive or sexy or whatever the in VOY.
You guys think you had problems? Try being a straight woman.
I didn't have problems, at least when it came to attractiveness. I certainly couldn't stand the my friends who were girls had to deal with. It sucked
She does look really good in Picard. Either she is aging well, or I'm just getting older, maybe a bit of both.
One could argue that it did get softcore there, or maybe even a bit more in the one scene where T'Pol disrobed. Though some might characterize Seven and T'Pol's catsuits and some of the randy Trip and T'Pol scenes as being designed solely to appeal to teenage boys, definitely when it comes to Trip and T'Pol I felt like that was more of an attempt to be edgier and appeal to adults, to get some buzz and watercooler talk going.
I was a little older when Enterprise came out but I found it juvenile at the time, like "oh no we might have been exposed to an alien virus, better get naked and rub oil all over each other". Meanwhile sensual music is playing in the background with the camera focusing on Trip's muscles and T'Pols body parts. So stupid.
Me at 18 in the summer of 1998, mowing the lawn.
There you go. I had the T-shirt and everything.
But here's a more substantive post I typed up a little while ago, on April 2nd, 2020.
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I think in the future, people will wear whatever they want. It's the only way to explain the horrible costuming in TNG. I thought it got better from the DS9/VOY years and on. If they were trying to convey "This is a sci-fi character!" it worked. But I never thought much about it. I was more interested in Seven's character arc during the fourth season.
From the fifth season on, I think she was running in place most of the time but there's only so much you can do once everything's a monotonous routine and you have two people like The Doctor and Janeway breathing down your neck constantly making note of if you so much as even move a muscle differently. Sadly, I can relate to this. I didn't "fit in" until I found my own niche in college, I wasn't interested in conforming to the norm or doing what I was "supposed to do", and I did NOT like having parents who were trying to watch me so closely or wouldn't let me do anything to the point where I had to start doing things behind their back just to get out from underneath their eye. So I don't blame Seven for also wanting to have a secret little double-life in "Human Error". I completely understand it.
So I didn't really give a shit about the catsuit. I was more focused on the character. This was someone I could identify with. Otherwise, I wasn't much of a fan of VOY. She's the reason I watched as long as I did. Otherwise, I would've stopped watching sooner since (unlike a lot of other people here) I don't stick around watching things I'm not a fan of. I mean, sure, Spock was half-Human and half-Vulcan and I could identify being of two cultures, being half-American and half-Iranian, but Seven wasn't like anyone else and didn't appreciate being forced to be like anyone else. And that's what I identify with more (then and now). It's not what you are, it's who you are.
I'm Native American on my mother's side (Cherokee).
My father tried to mold me into his ideal woman, so I can relate to Seven being Janeway's "project". I can also relate to Seven having to live in a world where the rules are idiosyncratic and constantly shifting.
It's not something I like to talk about. It's taken about two years of therapy for me to get to this point.
T'Pol's costumes don't seem too OTT, when they still seem a bit more functional than Seven's infamous bodysuits (plus Vulcans and Borg drones don't seem like people who have the sense of modesty that US people from the 20th and 21st still mostly have, outside the entertainment industry or sex trade). Plus we humans are sexual and sexually selective creatures, as much as we try to avoid or suppress it at times.
Catsuits (or bodysuits) are still a thing with some female characters as of 2021, it's just we've shifted away from wantonly, luridly oggling over them lile we did back in the 1990s and early 2000s: would we have this scene today presented as it is? (moderately NSFW).
In real life yoga pants are still going pretty strong (which is kind of like half of a cat suit). So maybe the Seven character in VOY was ahead of her time
Only if said yoga pants come with footies that encase high-heels and have the bottom of a corset frame at the top.
And people rarely wear their yoga pants to work, with the possible exception of yoga teachers.
Where I live people wear them everywhere
I'm sorry, but these assertions are patently absurd. It is certainly fair to argue that those scenes in ENT were sexually objectifying, juvenile, or gratuitous. But they were absolutely not pornographic or softcore. No actual nudity is photographed. The idea that the George W. Bush-era Federal Communications Commission would have allowed actual pornography to be broadcast on network television is fundamentally absurd.
The decon scenes were more like the "boom-chicka-BOW-WOW" foreplay before they took off the rest of their clothes.
As originally filmed, the famous "love scene" between Tucker and T'Pol included Jolene Blalock's naked posterior. Two versions of this scene exist, however, depending on where and how the episode is watched; US audiences watching the original broadcast on UPN (or later on the Sci-Fi Channel) were shown a version in which the frame was "enlarged," enabling the network to crop the picture just above Blalock's bare bottom. Canadian viewers, however, saw the scene as it was originally shot – with Blalock's bottom shown (see the picture to the right). The "unedited" version of this scene is intact on the DVD release of the episode, HDNet's broadcast, and streaming video providers such as Netflix and Hulu.
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