ST XI issues you want tackled in the sequel
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Like the rebel alliance, which is actually just a bunch of terrorists with civilian or military background, would be a good example. Starfleet is like the US Navy with less saluting. I have yet to see a cadet getting promoted to commanding officer of an aircraft carrier three days after he left the Academy.
Yes, yes, they say they are explorers (although, in this movie, they aren't, they are part of a peacekeeping armada, that speaks "peace through superior firepower" to me), but they are part of the military.
Yes, yes, they say they are explorers (although, in this movie, they aren't, they are part of a peacekeeping armada, that speaks "peace through superior firepower" to me), but they are part of the military.
Fantasy, not sci-fi. That's Star Wars for you.
How about Wesley Crusher then? There was an unearned, undeserved promotion if ever I saw one. In fact, what I would like to see in the sequel is the wholesale slaughter of all of Wesley's ancestors, thus making the first four seasons of TNG bearable to watch.
On a side note, anybody know how old Kirk is supposed to be in this movie?
On a side note, anybody know how old Kirk is supposed to be in this movie?
I agree in the original TOS the promotion would be pretty hard to swallow, but I thought it seemed pretty obvious in this movie that Abrams was creating a more fun, action-packed, gung-ho interpretation of TOS, where the rules are a little looser and less defined.
I know most fans still want that more literal Trek universe (and there's much I like about it too), but honestly I'm READY for Trek to loosen up and have a little more fun now. Enough with the rules and regulations-- I just want to see the crew exploring strange new worlds and getting in some fun, kickass adventures.
If that means Kirk is made Captain a little sooner, so be it.
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LOL, why dumb it down so much?
Would you also accept people breathing in space, because it's more fun without spacesuits?
Would you also accept people breathing in space, because it's more fun without spacesuits?
Less US Navy, more US Coast Guard, the Coast Guard is the only uniformed branch of service where female officers are referred to as "sir", as they are from TNG onward. This would fit with Gene Roddenberry's contention that Star Fleet isn't military, up until resently the Coast Guard was part of department of transportation.
Well it's Department of Homeland Security now. Well, since Patriot Act, I guess.
But US Coast Guard seems to be a great analogy, yes, thank you!
But US Coast Guard seems to be a great analogy, yes, thank you!
I don't consider it "dumbing down", just putting more of the emphasis on the space opera and fun and sense of adventure behind the concept. Instead of how most of the spinoffs became, which was really stiff and technical.
Star Wars is pretty simple and untechnical too (at least speaking of the OT), but it still manages to feel believable enough. And it has the sense not to have people breathing in space.
And in any case, this new version of TOS doesn't seem like a HUGE shift to me from the original. It's just a little more relaxed than before is all.
Oh please, even "The Empire Strikes Back" (IMO one of the top 10 movies in Hollywood history and my #1 movie ever) has ridiculous plot holes, like Luke Skywalker spending the same amount of time training with Yoda as Han and Leia on Bespin (mere days), yet he learns sh#tload of Jedi stuff, enough to confront Vader.
I was talking more about the world itself feeling real and believable. But yeah, the timing of events in ESB definitely seems a bit weird.
Although who knows, maybe it took Han and Leia a lot longer to get to Bespin than it appeared.
Well, we are talking about apples and oranges here. Star Trek tries to pass for a believable depiction of Humanity's future, while Star Wars is in essence a space adventure fantasy for kids.
Hm, I don't think so. When Han and Leia fled from the Imperials (along with the waste from the star destroyer), Han checked out the star charts for potential nearby hideouts and stumbled upon Bespin.
I'm going to delurk to second this. I wish filmmakers would just get over the whole shaking the camera fad. Please, just let us see what's going on!
You see, I think shaky cam is actually a good technique, it's just so many people use it generically and incoherently. "Is your movie/fight scene boring? Is there not enough intensity? Introducing the new...shaky cam! It'll easily make up for just how boring your actual movie is!"
Peter Berg, I'm looking at you.
Abrams proved to me that he knows how to use it with the space fights in the movie, which in my opinion, were beautifully shot, because he's channeling the energy instead of simply the intensity.
But the physical fights were so poorly shot, and it's a shame too, because they were great moments in the movie (particularly Spock kicking Kirk's ass and Nero stabbing Robau).
I definitely thought the overall finale was a bit too frenetic, but the individual fights you mention I had no problem with. I thought they came across as pretty exciting and dynamic.
To me, even though they were fast, they were structured well enough (like the Bourne movie fights) that I could easily figure out what was happening. That to me is different than the random flashes of movement we get in movies like Batman Begins, where it's just a flurry of meaningless activity and the camera movement doesn't correspond with the character's actions at all.
Well, just the physical fights is all I had a problem with. The space fights I thought were great.
But when it came to the physical fights, I suppose I agree, it's just it was annoying to tell what was going on.
However, with Batman Begins I felt it captured the claustraphobia of the action scenes, especially in the dock scene, where the crooks themselves have absolutely no idea what is going on.
SpikeTV ran the SW marathon yesterday and I was able to watch the original trilogy.
Han Solo's rank did not happen as fast as stated above:
- A New Hope = Solo the Smuggler
- The Empire Strikes Back = Captain Solo, rebel Alliance
- Return of the Jedi = General Solo, rebel Alliance just before the final offensive
And even then, Han wasn't a "four star" General, as such. The Rebel Alliance seemed rather haphazard, just tossing around ranks on a whim (note their mixing of Navy ranks like 'Commander' and Army ones like 'General'). I don't think their Generals even had varying numbers of 'stars' - there was just one. So however fast Han may have rose through the ranks, it doesn't mean a whole lot, since there wasn't much structure to them.
Contrast this with ST's Starfleet, which has a clearly defined and distinct rank system that can't just be disregarded on a whim.
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