ST:TMP on Blu-Ray - a second look

[J.T.B.]

That would've been all kinds of awewsome if they could've actually gotten Mifune to play the part of Nogura. I would've relished watching him and Shatner do the scene as it was written in the Roddenberry-penned novelization.

And if Mifune wasn't available, how about Mako? He and Robert Wise had worked together.

The meeting with Nogura would probably not help the pacing of the movie and wasn't essential for the general audience, but it sure would have been interesting to get a little peek inside Starfleet on that level. Also to see what Nogura's shoulder rank insignia looked like (assuming he wore them)!



Justin

 

[Procutus]

Instead of Robau in Trek 09, they should have named/made the character Nogura, that would have fun. Shame he wouldn't live to have that conversation years later with James Kirk.

Now that would've been an interesting touch if they'd gone that route. Who knows, perhaps Nogura will show up, if only briefly, in Trek 2013.

 

[22 Stars]

Instead of Robau in Trek 09, they should have named/made the character Nogura, that would have fun. Shame he wouldn't live to have that conversation years later with James Kirk.

Now that would've been an interesting touch if they'd gone that route. Who knows, perhaps Nogura will show up, if only briefly, in Trek 2013.

Sure, who knows, maybe is was in an escape shuttle that left the Kelvin

 

[Procutus]

^

You mean the handful of shuttles that were capable of evacuating over 800 people?

 

[Therin of Andor]

You mean the handful of shuttles that were capable of evacuating over 800 people?

You really needed to see all of them onscreen?

 

[BillJ]

You mean the handful of shuttles that were capable of evacuating over 800 people?

You really needed to see all of them onscreen?

No. But I can do basic math. At twenty people per shuttle it would take forty shuttle craft to evacuate the Kelvin. That's if there were no more special circumstance shuttles that were only taking four or five people.

That's a lot of shuttles, I don't care how big the ship is.

 

[Therin of Andor]

That's a lot of shuttles, I don't care how big the ship is.

So starships should never take so many crew aboard?

 

[BillJ]

That's a lot of shuttles, I don't care how big the ship is.

So starships should never take so many crew aboard?

Huh?

I'm simpy questioning the dubious math skills of those in charge. There is no mention of escape pods, nor do we see any in the aftermath and Pike is the one that says George Kirk saved 800 lives.

 

[Procutus]

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That was basically my point, that the Kelvin didn't appear to be nearly large enough to hold the number of shuttles necessary to evacuate a crew of that size. I'm just sayin'.

Going back to the original intent of the thread, I was watching the beginning of the DE for comparison last night, and the thing that stuck out the most (aside from the revised Vulcan and San Fran scenes) was the amount of film grain noticeable. Again, I'm amazed at how crisp and clean the BD looked. I really wish that Paramount would release it for individual sale at some point.

 

[Captrek]

Again, I'm amazed at how crisp and clean the BD looked. I really wish that Paramount would release it for individual sale at some point.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Pic...1_5?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1323365619&sr=1-5

When the box set of the first six films is priced at $48.99, it seems excessive to charge $30.99 for just the first film, but it is available.

 

[Therin of Andor]

There is no mention of escape pods, nor do we see any in the aftermath and Pike is the one that says George Kirk saved 800 lives.

No mention of toilets either, but the ship does have some. Old argument.

 

[BillJ]

There is no mention of escape pods, nor do we see any in the aftermath and Pike is the one that says George Kirk saved 800 lives.

No mention of toilets either, but the ship does have some. Old argument.

Massive difference and I think you know it. They don't tell us Mr. Scott is going to drop a deuce either. They specifically tell us the George Kirk saved 800 lives and go on to show us the escape of the crew leaving by shuttle.

If you write the lines, the pretty pictures should match up.

 

[Procutus]

Again, I'm amazed at how crisp and clean the BD looked. I really wish that Paramount would release it for individual sale at some point.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Pic...1_5?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1323365619&sr=1-5

When the box set of the first six films is priced at $48.99, it seems excessive to charge $30.99 for just the first film, but it is available.

Thanks for that; I've seen the British version advertised before. I'm hoping that they eventually release a copy here, the same as they did for II, IV & VI. At a reasonable price, of course.

 

[Therin of Andor]

If you write the lines, the pretty pictures should match up.

Not at all. The beauty of the motion picture as a storytelling medium is that sometimes the words and pictures tell the story together, but sometimes the visuals alone offer bonus information (eg a cameo appearance) and sometimes it's the spoken dialogue.

Children's picture books do it too.

 

[Harvey]

Well, yeah, but BillJ isn't arguing that information should be imparted in the form of dialogue or visuals -- he's just pointing out that the visuals contradict the dialogue here.

I'll just assume that there are bigger shuttles than the one Robau uses (indeed, isn't the shuttle that takes Kirk to the Academy rather large?). Honestly, though, who cares? It's only a movie, and the fact that nobody should be able to hear Charles Foster Kane utter his last words doesn't ruin my appreciation for the movie.

 

[Ranger3]

"The Director's Edition". There is no comparison.

Neil

What he said.

Same here. The Director's Edition is definitely close to Robert Wise's original vision. It was seamless and flawless. This is what the film should have been upon its release.

The only changes I wish they hadn't made was the removal of the computer voice(Doug Hale)and the original sound of the Red Alert klaxon.

 

[Therin of Andor]

he's just pointing out that the visuals contradict the dialogue here.

Or... they didn't give us a wider/longer lingering shot that would have showed all manner of escape pods and shuttles departing the ship.

 

[Harvey]

What, like this one? It seems pretty wide to me. I count 20 shuttles. I'm not bothered by it, though.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

What, like this one? It seems pretty wide to me. I count 20 shuttles. I'm not bothered by it, though.

There would have to be about 40 people per shuttle, if those are the only ones.

How many were there on the shuttle Kirk got into in the beginning? Would it be too much to think they could cram 40 people or so on one of those in a pinch?

 

[Therin of Andor]

What, like this one? It seems pretty wide to me. I count 20 shuttles. I'm not bothered by it, though.

And some more could be side by side with these, or already past our shoulder.

What is the point of all this? Did you really, really need the producers and FX guys to make a precise calculation and show every single vessel that abandoned the ship. We don't need onscreen visual information to match up with every word of dialogue. Pike's later line about the number of successful escapees reinforces and gives added weight to the ealier more visual scene. We weren't needed to be physically counting.

Every time the camera goes inside a ship, either Robau's or Nero's, many more shuttles and escape pods could have beeen, and probably were, pouring from the ship and off into space before Nero could zap them with his precision 24th century mining phasers.

In real life, I don't need to see every plummeting human leaping off the Twin Towers on 9/11 to believe what we were hearing, that it was many more that one person. The reporters' words, and one or two leapers falling, were more than enough to fill in the blanks.