This is the same shot taken from the HD broadcast:
ST:TMP BluRay
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trevanian
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really colorblind.The midtones are brighter on the BluRay cap, that's for sure. But I'd say the saturation of the color is about the same.
trevnian, when you say "colorblind," are you making a wisecrack or do you literally mean red-green colorblind? Because if the latter, I can see how the different grayscale values between the images might be throwing off your sense of what color it is.
If not, just ignore me.
I can usually pick out accurate colors from b&w stuff better than most; might be why I hear that colorblind people walk point in some armies.
My fault, the video corrupted slightly during that grab.
Here is a slightly earlier shot of the E without so much flare, matching trevenian's.
Actually for me just move in tighter with the image with Kirk to block the stage and just use the DE's wing walk and the SLV's sound mix and I would be happy. Widescreen too.
Much better. Comparing the two, I find myself agreeing with trev about the shift in color tones. However, this shot now looks eerily out of place when compared to their earlier effects shots, mainly because the ship is so bright white here, where even the other shots in the BD were more dynamic in range.
In short, it looks like it was shot by ILM.
I seem to be having a hard time understanding where you are coming from. You say it looks out of place, but so far we haven't seen any videos showing all of the effect shots in motion.
And does ILM equal bad now? I don't know about the knit pickers out there, but these shots are fabulous looking compared to everything I've seen from TMP. What exactly is wrong with this restoration?
Look at the other examples that elton posted from the BD release. Notice how most of the shots of the ship alone in space closer to the beginning of the film aren't as "matte white" in color as what we get in the "flare" shot?
Go look at TWOK though TUC and tell me what you think of ILM's treatment of the Enterprise. They got rid of the pearl sheen, shot it on blue screen, and generally made it look like a plastic toy in comparison. Obviously, they've gotten a little better after the years, but this shot looks more like what ILM did with the later films that the rest of TMP.
They are good, but it isn't exactly perfect. The color balance could use a little tweaking, assuming that this was done by an automated algorithm, but generally it's a vast improvement over previous offerings, and especially valuable considering that it has the original sound mix.
That's it? No explanation or examples? Just "ILM's work on the Trek movies was sh**"? I don't know about you Elton, but the Mutara Nebula sequences near the end of TWOK were much more engaging than any of the "Journey through the cloud" montage in TMP.
^The reason the Mutara scene was more engaging was because we weren't forced to watch five minutes of viewscreen images in real time.
Technically, it has nothing on TMP. It's just a fucking cloud tank; run-of-the-mill stuff in movie effcts. TMP invented new techniques on the fly half the time.
Technically, it has nothing on TMP. It's just a fucking cloud tank; run-of-the-mill stuff in movie effcts. TMP invented new techniques on the fly half the time.
Well, The Final Frontier for certain, but that was not ILM. And given the nature of how tight the budget for TWOK was, I'd say that what we got was pretty darn good.
Who knows? Since the Wrath of Khan has been bragged about being the only fully restored movie on this lot, maybe the effects will look 100x nicer than the ones we're seeing here!
That just means we'll get a better looking plastic toy starship. You can't turn cheaply made shots into good ones just by cleaning and restoring the print.
I missed this one.
I'm complete unqualified to judge the sound.
I'm going to try and sample some audio snippets tonight though to host here for people who are qualified to judge.
Ya, a cloud tank is an epic fail on anyone's book. Never mind the nice, colorful texture it had, the interactions and placements it had with the starship models or the use of lighting to give the nebula it's lightning like effects. No, just call it a run-of-the-mill and instantly call it bad.
And for a film film with an 11 million dollar budget compared to TMP's 35 million (Less than half), I'd hardly call any work that was done on it crap.
Nor would I and $11 million is LESS (but not by much) than a third of $35 million which makes it even more impressive what they did in Wrath of Kahn.
You have no idea how movie effects are made, do you? Nevermind that I said it is technically inferior to the things that TMP did.
Crap? Where is this "crap?" you speak of? I can't find a single crap in any of my posts here. By the way, who is this "Kahn" you speak of?
Really? I thought you were calling the ships plastic toys and discriminating the nebula sequence as being shot in a fu**** water tank that you call run-of-the-mill. How is that not crap talk?
Well, you sure didn't stand up to TWOK's defense after elton called it sh**.
I'm still not getting the link between plastic and fecal matter. Care to spell it out for me?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I was the fucking thought police.
And by the way, it's shit.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
This was always one of the weaker shots, but, boy, does it look bad now.
Anyway, I'm getting that BRD
