ST:TMP BluRay

[Jeyl]

It's there, albeit briefly.

Where?

2:01 in this clip. As lights come on on the panel, a recorded voice instantly says "MAIN BUS A UNDERVOLT" and an instant later an astronaut repeats this to Mission Control. He's reporting it to Mission Control, not getting it from them.

For the last time, IT WASN'T THE COMPUTER TALKING!

And this is silly since this is the same darn clip I posted earlier saying that it was not the computer's voice. For one thing, Fred says "It's main bus A" to which the intercom says "Main Bus A under volt?". Mission Control was confirming with Fred if it was Main Bus A Under volt since Fred left out the under volt portion.

 

[Jeyl]

It's there, albeit briefly.

Where?

2:01 in this clip. As lights come on on the panel, a recorded voice instantly says "MAIN BUS A UNDERVOLT" and an instant later an astronaut repeats this to Mission Control. He's reporting it to Mission Control, not getting it from them.

For the last time, IT WASN'T THE COMPUTER TALKING!

And this is silly since this is the same darn clip I posted earlier saying that it was not the computer's voice. For one thing, Fred says "It's main bus A" to which the intercom says "Main Bus A under volt?". Mission Control was confirming with Fred if it was Main Bus A Under volt since Fred left out the under volt portion.

Any ultimate version for me would have to go back and try to recreate the original discarded Vulcan for TMP, which is basically a really good version of the Vulcan you see in the theatrical, before Paramount pulled it from Trumbull's guys and gave it to somebody else to do (TGT has some info on this.)

Well, the Vulcan we have for the DE is certainly an improvement over the original theatrical one.

I also wouldn't be adverse to somebody trying to apply a few of the Abel/Taylor warpbubble/spectral colorshift notions to some Enterprise flybys just to get an idea of how it MIGHT have worked (you probably wouldn't even need to do a CG ENT, just use the existing model shots and then do the roto and graphics over it.)

Looks like the DE was on a short budget considering they didn't do that.

 

[RyanKCR]

The aft-facing shot looking out towards the nacelles from near the top of the saucer when Spock's shuttle is en-route has the nacelles far too close together.
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I think the (currently non-existant) ultimate version would be some sort of amalgam of this and the DE.

The nacelles there don't look perfect, but at least the lighting seems appropriate; I never objected to that because I love the little lounge miniature they are shooting through at the approaching shuttle.

Any ultimate version for me would have to go back and try to recreate the original discarded Vulcan for TMP, which is basically a really good version of the Vulcan you see in the theatrical, before Paramount pulled it from Trumbull's guys and gave it to somebody else to do (TGT has some info on this.) I also wouldn't be adverse to somebody trying to apply a few of the Abel/Taylor warpbubble/spectral colorshift notions to some Enterprise flybys just to get an idea of how it MIGHT have worked (you probably wouldn't even need to do a CG ENT, just use the existing model shots and then do the roto and graphics over it.)

Also, any ultimate edition for me would have lots of trims, since some of the stuff I dislike most seems to be in all cuts, like the guy escaping Epsilon 9, which wouldn't pass muster except on a Gerry Anderson show in my book.

The guys in the commentary liked that little guy. The extra motion the felt was him almost making it then got caught. That, too, is how I always saw it.

 

[Praetor]

The aft-facing shot looking out towards the nacelles from near the top of the saucer when Spock's shuttle is en-route has the nacelles far too close together.
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I think the (currently non-existant) ultimate version would be some sort of amalgam of this and the DE.

The nacelles there don't look perfect, but at least the lighting seems appropriate; I never objected to that because I love the little lounge miniature they are shooting through at the approaching shuttle.

Any ultimate version for me would have to go back and try to recreate the original discarded Vulcan for TMP, which is basically a really good version of the Vulcan you see in the theatrical, before Paramount pulled it from Trumbull's guys and gave it to somebody else to do (TGT has some info on this.) I also wouldn't be adverse to somebody trying to apply a few of the Abel/Taylor warpbubble/spectral colorshift notions to some Enterprise flybys just to get an idea of how it MIGHT have worked (you probably wouldn't even need to do a CG ENT, just use the existing model shots and then do the roto and graphics over it.)

Also, any ultimate edition for me would have lots of trims, since some of the stuff I dislike most seems to be in all cuts, like the guy escaping Epsilon 9, which wouldn't pass muster except on a Gerry Anderson show in my book.

The guys in the commentary liked that little guy. The extra motion the felt was him almost making it then got caught. That, too, is how I always saw it.

That's what I always believed to be happening, too. Even if it was an effects malfunction, with it gone, it loses just a little something to me.

 

[Jeyl]

Also, any ultimate edition for me would have lots of trims, since some of the stuff I dislike most seems to be in all cuts, like the guy escaping Epsilon 9, which wouldn't pass muster except on a Gerry Anderson show in my book.

The guys in the commentary liked that little guy. The extra motion the felt was him almost making it then got caught. That, too, is how I always saw it.

That's what I always believed to be happening, too. Even if it was an effects malfunction, with it gone, it loses just a little something to me.

The little dude stays!

 

[Therin of Andor]

There was also the CGI work that was done involving the displays and the Genesis Effect video. That couldn't have been cheap to produce back in the 80s.

According to "The Art of Star Trek", the Genesis Tape was "the most spectacular use of computer-generated imagery yet to appear in a movie" and supposedly took six months to create.

 

[Therin of Andor]

That's what I always believed to be happening, too. Even if it was an effects malfunction, with it gone, it loses just a little something to me.

To me, it looked like he was crashing into an external camera satellite.

 

[ScottDS]

The nacelles there don't look perfect, but at least the lighting seems appropriate; I never objected to that because I love the little lounge miniature they are shooting through at the approaching shuttle.

Any ultimate version for me would have to go back and try to recreate the original discarded Vulcan for TMP, which is basically a really good version of the Vulcan you see in the theatrical, before Paramount pulled it from Trumbull's guys and gave it to somebody else to do (TGT has some info on this.) I also wouldn't be adverse to somebody trying to apply a few of the Abel/Taylor warpbubble/spectral colorshift notions to some Enterprise flybys just to get an idea of how it MIGHT have worked (you probably wouldn't even need to do a CG ENT, just use the existing model shots and then do the roto and graphics over it.)

Also, any ultimate edition for me would have lots of trims, since some of the stuff I dislike most seems to be in all cuts, like the guy escaping Epsilon 9, which wouldn't pass muster except on a Gerry Anderson show in my book.

The guys in the commentary liked that little guy. The extra motion the felt was him almost making it then got caught. That, too, is how I always saw it.

That's what I always believed to be happening, too. Even if it was an effects malfunction, with it gone, it loses just a little something to me.

Me three! It never occurred to me that it was some kind of error. It just seemed to work, especially with the music.

For me, there are only a few additional changes that would make an Ultimate TMP: add the travelpod shadow to the Enterprise hull as the pod passes in between the ship and the spotlight, fix Spock and McCoy's armband colors in the last shot, fix the two warp shots in which the white flash is slightly out of position, fix the machine planet's reflection in Spock's thruster suit helmet (it should be reversed), and add the TV version of the scene in Kirk's quarters: "Get out of here, Bones." I'm sure I'll think of a few more things later.

 

[Praetor]

Those seem like fair 'fixes' to me, ScottDS.

 

[Flake]

Watching this now.

So, so, so happy its not the Directors Edition. That really ruined it for me personally.

 

[Joker]

The only change I really appreciated in the DE was the extra exterior shot of the Enterprise when the second energy ball fizzled out.

Rest of it? Could care less.

 

[Flake]

If you have watched something a hundred times and enjoyed it a hundred times, theres no need to change anything. Yeah clean a scratch here and there and fix a matte line but don't fuck about with it too much!

People like the DE and thats fantastic. Just make sure you release the originals as well and in this case they have... but only because they didn't have a choice. If they only released the DE I would be annoyed.....

Sure, make a directors cut, change whatever you like, just make sure the originals get a release as well.

 

[trevanian]

If you have watched something a hundred times and enjoyed it a hundred times, theres no need to change anything. .

yeah, but we're talking TMP. I've watched it a hundred times and HATED some of it 100 times, and never even understood why they included the stuff i hated so much, but it was mitigated by the good stuff.

 

[Flake]

Well the trouble with these Lucas-esque re-cuts with new fx and what not is that it is absolutely impossible to please everyone.

Lets say I like the computer voice and want it to stay, but you hate it and want it removed. If they take it out I am pissed off, if they leave it in you are annoyed! They can't please everyone! The only way would be for you personally to recut it and do FX yourself.

There would be some changes that are unamimous, like the poor matte paintings of the Enterprise where Kirk and co are on the Enterprise hull before walking off the V'Ger. Thats the only kind of thing they could change. They would have to poll everyone with their potential changes to see which changes they can make. Anything less than say 80% for change can't be changed or something.

 

[trevanian]

Well the trouble with these Lucas-esque re-cuts with new fx and what not is that it is absolutely impossible to please everyone.

Lets say I like the computer voice and want it to stay, but you hate it and want it removed. If they take it out I am pissed off, if they leave it in you are annoyed! They can't please everyone! The only way would be for you personally to recut it and do FX yourself.

There would be some changes that are unamimous, like the poor matte paintings of the Enterprise where Kirk and co are on the Enterprise hull before walking off the V'Ger. Thats the only kind of thing they could change. They would have to poll everyone with their potential changes to see which changes they can make. Anything less than say 80% for change can't be changed or something.

to quote N. Meyer: art is not made by committee.

 

[Praetor]

Indeed. How many books does one generally see re-edited, with new chunks added years after they were initially published? How many paintings are touched up after they are unveiled? Not that many, I'd wager.

 

[Captain Pike]

Indeed. How many books does one generally see re-edited, with new chunks added years after they were initially published?

Well it happens all the time with non-fiction books, but I gather you are talking fiction exclusively.

Some fiction, or semi-fiction which considers itself a "Reference" work I guess. i.e 'The Great big reference book of Trolls & Goblins, newly revised edition'.

 

[ATimson]

How many books does one generally see re-edited, with new chunks added years after they were initially published?

It depends on the author, and, quite possibly, their popularity. Probably the examples that come first to mind are many books by Orson Scott Card (including Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, and Treason), as well as Tolkien's novels. Stephen King did it with The Gunslinger and The Stand. And while I don't think Frank Herbert ever did it with novels published as such, he did often make changes between serialization and print versions.

 

[ST-One]

Indeed. How many books does one generally see re-edited, with new chunks added years after they were initially published? How many paintings are touched up after they are unveiled? Not that many, I'd wager.

I wanted to mention the 'The Dark Tower' series by Stephen King, but I see someone else did it before me

 

[Borjis]

There was also the CGI work that was done involving the displays and the Genesis Effect video. That couldn't have been cheap to produce back in the 80s.

According to "The Art of Star Trek", the Genesis Tape was "the most spectacular use of computer-generated imagery yet to appear in a movie" and supposedly took six months to create.

"In 1982 Paramount released Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, which contained a one minute CGI sequence depicting a simulation of the birth of a planet (the "Genesis Effect"), created by Pixar, a LucasFilm spin-off that would go on to produce Oscar-winning computer graphics in the years to come. The Genesis Effect made the first onscreen use of a particle rendering system to achieve its fiery effects."

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