Spoilers ST Prodigy - StarShips & Technology Season 1 Discussion
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The MSD's of the SF made Dauntless which were featured in Prodigy (in one of the background shots), indicate the ship is of comparable/same size as the Arturis Dauntless was (aka, 7 decks high).
Visually however (from external views), I counted about 10 decks on the SF Dauntless saucer section alone with windows placements (though those are wonkily added to the saucer)... that easily leaves another 3-5 decks for the secondary hull... which (if I'm correct) would mean the SF made Dauntless is either TWICE as big (14 decks high) as Arturist Dauntless was or the same size as VOY (15 decks).
The SF Dauntless being about 4x larger than the Protostar would (visually) make sense of the mid-season promo we saw in which the Dauntless appears massive in front of the Protostar bridge and acompanying space shots.
The Protostar has about 4 decks in the saucer section whereas the secondary hull only may have an extra deck, but all of the secondary hull is reserved for the technology (aka, Proto driver/core/nacelle) and shuttlebay with the vehicle replicator.
And if I'm wrong, the Dauntless is only 7 decks high (vs Protosar 5 decks) as its MSD indicates, and as such only 2 decks higher (which accounts for 40% of extra height).
We need a better visual representation of the Dauntless. I don't like overtly dramatic shots in VFX where small ships are ballooned to ridiculous sizes if their actual dimensions do not correspond with that.
Possible... but not necessarily a given.
Arturis had a grudge against VOY... who knows what other survivors of species 116 might think of Starfleet.
Link to Trekmovie interview with this week's episode writer. Note the bits about how they rationalized transforming the bridge into a TOS Connie bridge, and where the replaced consoles went:
https://trekmovie.com/2022/11/11/in...ts-galileos-fate-and-the-spirit-of-starfleet/
I mean, I get it, but IMO it would've been just fine for everyone to head down to the holodeck and call up a full replica from there, and then slave it to the actual bridge controls. But I liked what we got. Next do the Exclesior bridge from TSFS.
Mark
https://trekmovie.com/2022/11/11/in...ts-galileos-fate-and-the-spirit-of-starfleet/
I mean, I get it, but IMO it would've been just fine for everyone to head down to the holodeck and call up a full replica from there, and then slave it to the actual bridge controls. But I liked what we got. Next do the Exclesior bridge from TSFS.
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Honestly, I was hoping for them to just reskin the consoles with square red/yellow/green buttons instead of swoopy blue buttons (similar to how the NX-01 consoles got a more TOS-colored makeover in season 4), and wasn't even expecting that much, so for an actual Constitution bridge to materialize in place of the normal one was a real treat.
Indeed. Next bring back Lt. Galloway! He survived being vaporized - THAT's a tale for one of the animated Treks to tell..!
- We see the armory (again?), and among the props are rifles, what look like isomagnetic cannons that would make Worf squee, and a REALLY outsized hand phaser.
- Holo Janeway notes that no Starfleet vessel has been close for over 100 years. Where ARE these guys now? I mean there's no binding them to the Delta Quadrant (or Gamma for that matter), but have they jumped again since blowing up the comms relay? And would this century-old visit (so, the 2280s? TWOK era?) mean that it's some REALLY deep space mission regardless?
- This is the first time that the TOS shuttlecraft is directly referenced as having a warp engine. We KNOW they have them (or else why would Kirk and Mendez bother trying to catch up to the Enterprise in "The Menagerie", among examples) but here we have a warp engine directly mentioned.
- Despite beaming / fritzing away in one shot, the aft side consoles pop back into existence in another.
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- We see the armory (again?), and among the props are rifles, what look like isomagnetic cannons that would make Worf squee, and a REALLY outsized hand phaser.
- Holo Janeway notes that no Starfleet vessel has been close for over 100 years. Where ARE these guys now? I mean there's no binding them to the Delta Quadrant (or Gamma for that matter), but have they jumped again since blowing up the comms relay? And would this century-old visit (so, the 2280s? TWOK era?) mean that it's some REALLY deep space mission regardless?
- This is the first time that the TOS shuttlecraft is directly referenced as having a warp engine. We KNOW they have them (or else why would Kirk and Mendez bother trying to catch up to the Enterprise in "The Menagerie", among examples) but here we have a warp engine directly mentioned.
- Despite beaming / fritzing away in one shot, the aft side consoles pop back into existence in another.
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We only have En Son's passed down words on whether the Enterprise SENT him to this world. Was Enterprise near the Beta-Delta border in the 2268-ish time period and maybe never found the shuttle or Garrovik due to the interference? Or was Galileo lost by itself in one of those imbalanced engine wormholes from TMP, maybe?
In the final montage, the Enderprizians help Pog seal the cursed cave with phasers- their four devices have blue beams while Pog's is red-orange. Were these given out by the Protostar crew or do 2260-ish hand phasers still function after 120-ish years? I'm trying to think of other examples of phaser longevity.
In the final montage, the Enderprizians help Pog seal the cursed cave with phasers- their four devices have blue beams while Pog's is red-orange. Were these given out by the Protostar crew or do 2260-ish hand phasers still function after 120-ish years? I'm trying to think of other examples of phaser longevity.
Galloway was killed by Captain Tracey, but his transporter variant, Galloway, lived.
The phasers we're used sparingly or they learned how to charge them?
The alien settlement looked fairly advanced, if distressed. We didn't really get much background on the aliens themselves, but their ship actually LOOKS like it could have been a ship at some point, and not just in the way people could recreate what a starship should look like. The New Enda'Prize buildings and sculptures were metal, the "sickbay" had consoles or displays powered up, the lab equipment they had was probably more than a medieval glassblower could blow up, and something had to be lighting the place.
Perhaps the setup was that the aliens were a bunch of lost colonists or Lord of the Flies or Beyond Thunderdome types that Garrovick helped out, thus skirting any Prime Directive issues. They had enough tech to keep the lights on or phasers charged, but not much more. Or maybe Garrovick was hauling a load of construction equipment that he taught the locals to use and maintain, and somehow create large metal sheets, and weld or rivet stuff together?
(Their ship / city looked a lot like a Star Wars transport from Episode II with nacelles attached, but I digress.)
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Perhaps the setup was that the aliens were a bunch of lost colonists or Lord of the Flies or Beyond Thunderdome types that Garrovick helped out, thus skirting any Prime Directive issues. They had enough tech to keep the lights on or phasers charged, but not much more. Or maybe Garrovick was hauling a load of construction equipment that he taught the locals to use and maintain, and somehow create large metal sheets, and weld or rivet stuff together?
(Their ship / city looked a lot like a Star Wars transport from Episode II with nacelles attached, but I digress.)
Mark
No way to tell the level of technology before Garrovick appeared.
my personaly headcanon as to why PRO and LD use TOS style but DIS and SNW has 'updated' visuals is that DIS and SNW are actually 33nd century recreations based on Discovery's logs and starfleet's historical records, meant to tell the rebuilt federation the truth about various important but deeply classified 23rd and 32nd century events after Discovery is decomissioned and its crew retires. and the visual differences between DIS-SNW and TOS are due to the "hercules legendary journey" effect where 1000 years later, the exact details of what 23rd century uniforms, ships, tech, etc looked like had gotten twisted and the whole 23rd, 24th, and 25th centuries largely mixed together into an anachronism stew.
That could be expected since they apparently did have footage of how to use 23rd century controls (and Garrovick salvaged what he could from the shuttle - which would likely entail power sources, data records, logs, etc. which the natives used themselves after Garrovick taught them)... other things such as naming could have underwent changes as maybe the natives didn't hear the name Starfleet, but Starflight... some words do get heard differently by others, so this wouldn't be too unexpected.
It's like the old game of telephone. A lot can change over 100 years, including language usage.
Indeed. I guess the biggest change is how quickly the natives apparently advanced while having shuttle technology/components to work with.
They were obviously able to replicate energy based weapons and had electricity (or should I say, active power generation) So this would suggest the shuttle itself may have come with molecular synthesizer/primitive replicator, batteries and a whole slew of other things Garrovick salvaged (the shuttle ended up very bare as a result).
I mean, I generally like this idea. I treat them all like dramatic recreations of actual in universe events.
That's cool. My rationale is that DSC and SNW simply take place in an alternate universe.
