True, and in that specific DS9 example that tug was towing an Excelsior-class ship, which would be about the size of a Galaxy saucer anyway (and possibly heavier to boot).
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Spoilers ST Picard - Starships and Technology Season Two Discussion
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Dave Blass has released some pre-production renders of the Stargazer bridge. Of note:
- This must have been before the final design of the Stargazer was locked down; the LCARS features a Vesta-class starship.
- The forward viewer, while a window, is designed to close up with a fancy armored shutter. If we ever see it in action, it'll surely be a CG piece in place of the CG starfield.
- The forward freestanding consoles are arranged to be facing TOWARDS the window here, but in the episode they're facing away and have crew working it from both sides (they also move around from shot to shot, but I'm not sure if that was deliberate or not). The aft consoles also had the vertical glass bits, which they don't in the final episode.
- They also posted pics of the Picard's Stargazer dedication plaque that sits in the conference room, with the ORIGINAL class name (recalling that they were originally going to use the TMP Enterprise model until Rick Sternbach came up with the screen model, later into production). On the shelf below is a golden model of La Sirena.
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- This must have been before the final design of the Stargazer was locked down; the LCARS features a Vesta-class starship.
- The forward viewer, while a window, is designed to close up with a fancy armored shutter. If we ever see it in action, it'll surely be a CG piece in place of the CG starfield.
- The forward freestanding consoles are arranged to be facing TOWARDS the window here, but in the episode they're facing away and have crew working it from both sides (they also move around from shot to shot, but I'm not sure if that was deliberate or not). The aft consoles also had the vertical glass bits, which they don't in the final episode.
- They also posted pics of the Picard's Stargazer dedication plaque that sits in the conference room, with the ORIGINAL class name (recalling that they were originally going to use the TMP Enterprise model until Rick Sternbach came up with the screen model, later into production). On the shelf below is a golden model of La Sirena.
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I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm happy it was launched at all, but that new plaque about the Enterprise-D is the 4th date it happened on!
Memory Alpha decided 'The Star Gazer' plaque meant 40125.5 (Feb 15, 2363, according to hillschmidt), backed up by 'Encounter at Farpoint' dedication plaque, maybe, I can't read it, but contradicting 40174 (March 5, 2363) when it was still being assembled over Mars per 'Booby Trap'.). 'Data's Day' counts backward 1,550 days for a July 27, 2363 commissioning. The dedication plaque in 'Silicon Avatar' had the launch locked down as 40759.5 (Oct 5, 2363). What 'The Star Gazer' plaque actually says is launched 41025.5 (Jan 10, 2364).
No wonder Captain Thomas Halloway resigned in 'The Buried Age' novel- he had to go to 3 launch ceremonies and a commissioning ceremony but never got to go anywhere!
Memory Alpha decided 'The Star Gazer' plaque meant 40125.5 (Feb 15, 2363, according to hillschmidt), backed up by 'Encounter at Farpoint' dedication plaque, maybe, I can't read it, but contradicting 40174 (March 5, 2363) when it was still being assembled over Mars per 'Booby Trap'.). 'Data's Day' counts backward 1,550 days for a July 27, 2363 commissioning. The dedication plaque in 'Silicon Avatar' had the launch locked down as 40759.5 (Oct 5, 2363). What 'The Star Gazer' plaque actually says is launched 41025.5 (Jan 10, 2364).
No wonder Captain Thomas Halloway resigned in 'The Buried Age' novel- he had to go to 3 launch ceremonies and a commissioning ceremony but never got to go anywhere!
All of which is only my snotty way of saying what "The Boimler Effect" said better: humans make mistakes, even on plaques. And nitpicking is my love language! Pity the people I care about.
Hooray for ST: Picard, it's awesome stuff!
Hooray for ST: Picard, it's awesome stuff!
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Meanwhile the TNG Technical Manual gives a very specific "old-world" date in the construction chronology: "4 October 2363: The USS Enterprise is officially commissioned in a ceremony at the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards. The USS Galaxy and USS Yamato send congratulatory messages via subspace radio."
EDIT: Actually reading that back amuses me, because it sounds like the ships themselves rather than their crews are sending congratulations. I wonder if there's a dedicated subroutine in Starfleet ship computers that means the ships themselves send congratulatory messages to each other when a ship of the same class is commissioned, starts a new five-year mission, passes some sort of age milestone etc, as some sort of engineering easter egg, and these messages get recorded in the ship's standard events log.
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I love cordial computers just autonomously sending each other birthday greetings on spacebook.
I also like the notion that the October 2363 commissioning ceremony took 2 days because a Grisella admiral or somebody takes forever to say anything, like a Tolkien Ent. Or because everybody got wasted and they had to start over. Or both.
I also like the notion that the October 2363 commissioning ceremony took 2 days because a Grisella admiral or somebody takes forever to say anything, like a Tolkien Ent. Or because everybody got wasted and they had to start over. Or both.
I mean, it stands to reason. I recall several books where the captain would ask the ship's computer what the latest gossip was among starship AIs.
Since 2x02 is all alternate-universe stuff, it'll be tough to determine consistency of any tech compared to the Prime universe...
- That said, Picard's study is chock full of franchise weapons, from TOS phasers to the whole complement of First Contact rifles to all manner of bladed weapons. There's even a bunch of Dominion examples in there. Did someone volunteer their collection for the shoot? I thought they got rid of all the old props.
- So, this demonstrates that Ferengi have bones in their ear pinnae? I guess that helps to explain how it can hurt if you twist it just right, but not with any real force that an actor could accidentally rip off foam rubber.
- The EVIL Starfleet uniforms are of the same pattern as the Prime equivalents, just all gray-black. Does that mean however that the EVIL versions of the cadet uniforms are actually EVIL cadets? They seem a bit older than average, and of course they're out prosecuting aliens and not studying how to do so...
- La Sirena and her sisters are shooting at DSC Vulcan Cruisers, among things. the EVIL Confederacy is using the Picard S1 shuttles based on the Argo shuttle too.
- I mentioned last year that having been to Okinawa, the island did NOT have the kind of cliffs that the Daystrom institute is built on. Here, unless they've done some major land reclamation in this reality, the actual City of Okinawa doe NOT have that kind of water channel around which they can build a city. This is actually a stock video of Hong Kong at night, with assorted exploding buildings and so on painted over it.
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- That said, Picard's study is chock full of franchise weapons, from TOS phasers to the whole complement of First Contact rifles to all manner of bladed weapons. There's even a bunch of Dominion examples in there. Did someone volunteer their collection for the shoot? I thought they got rid of all the old props.
- So, this demonstrates that Ferengi have bones in their ear pinnae? I guess that helps to explain how it can hurt if you twist it just right, but not with any real force that an actor could accidentally rip off foam rubber.
- The EVIL Starfleet uniforms are of the same pattern as the Prime equivalents, just all gray-black. Does that mean however that the EVIL versions of the cadet uniforms are actually EVIL cadets? They seem a bit older than average, and of course they're out prosecuting aliens and not studying how to do so...
- La Sirena and her sisters are shooting at DSC Vulcan Cruisers, among things. the EVIL Confederacy is using the Picard S1 shuttles based on the Argo shuttle too.
- I mentioned last year that having been to Okinawa, the island did NOT have the kind of cliffs that the Daystrom institute is built on. Here, unless they've done some major land reclamation in this reality, the actual City of Okinawa doe NOT have that kind of water channel around which they can build a city. This is actually a stock video of Hong Kong at night, with assorted exploding buildings and so on painted over it.
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Not necessarily, if I was displaying a Ferengi skull I would find a way to preserve the ear cartilage, or replace it with a replica. There is convenient seam transitioning from the brow to the ear. Sort of pointless to display a Ferengi skull if you can't tell what species it is at a glance.
CBS still has an archive of props at least. Heck they had a product hanger from Star Trek The Experience still in storage for whatever reason (that Cardassian looking thing in the background when Picard beams down to LA in Episode 1)
The Klingon Disruptor Pistol is one of the original props, the weathering on it matches exactly
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1502014930651803652
I can't find the image now, but at one point between that CG render and when they had the same placeholder LCARS on the actual set, it was replaced with a Sovereign class.
I mean, it probably is easy enough given we can get shark skeletons which are made of cartilage.
On Instagram, Neville Page has been posting images and comments of the skulls and their base 3D sculptures. Here's what he said about the Ferengi:
As the Ferengi skull has been featured, I wanted to share a detail. I’ve been receiving some questions as to why we see “ear bones”. First, it’s a creative choice to make sure we recognize the skull to be a Ferengi. Second, the concept seeds the need to reverse engineer the choice biologically. Technically it is the auricular cartilage, not “bone”. And due to the scale of a Ferengi ear, this cartilage has more calcium and specialized bone cells than human cartilage. Ergo, you see it here.
ETA: He’s also posted a tweet with a real-world example of bony cartilage being preserved with a skull, a hammerhead shark. I hadn’t realized that was real biology, and not fanciful Star Trek biology.
Here's a comparison showing each skull and the being they came from, for comparison. Apparently, even Vulcans have forehead ridges, they're just small enough to not be apparent under the eyebrows. I'm taking the hole in the Cardassian "spoon" as evidence for the Reeves-Stevenses old theory mentioned in the "Millennium" novels that it's actually their navel. Another image mentions that in addition to those four, there was also a Saurian skull, and a new species called a Lihn Zhee.
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Neville Page is one of my favorite Trek designers. He has such fun ideas.
Dave Blass has posted the alternate La Sirena on his Twitter, making her a part of the alternate fleet proper AND giving her a registration of NCC-93131. Controversial? Perhaps. But I've always been curious as to whether there are REALLY 90,000+ Starfleet ships in fleet history by 2401, or if that number ALSO somehow includes non-Starfleet, but Federation starships including NAR, NX and all those other prefixes. Could this somehow support that notion?
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NCC and NX are specific to Starfleet, but we don't know what else could be considered "Starfleet, Support Services" rather than "Starfleet, Ship of the Line (however small, because everything from Sovereign and Galaxy to runabouts, scouts, etc.)" or "Starfleet, Experimental Prototype". At this point, we get to assume that there's been 90,000+ "ships of the line" cumulatively built and served in Starfleet across 240+ years. Thus far, anyway.
They've never all been active all at once.
They've never all been active all at once.
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Given that DIS: "Perpetual Infinity" outright states there's 7000 active ships in the fleet in the 2250s, it's plausible there's been 90,000 in total between 2161 and 2401.
Runabouts get NCC numbers, so those kinds of smaller ships might account for a huge number of those.
They can't all be NCC registered, since they are below the 2000s at that point.
perhaps runabout sized ships counted towards that 7000, but only later that size of ship got NCC classification.
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Well, we know NCC numbers are all over the place and far from sequential... and just because we don't see anything over 2000 in the TOS era doesn't mean they don't exist
There are also NCC-F and NCC-G registries (TAS). Not that DISC ever bothered that it was a prequel show.
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