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ST Picard - Starships and Technology Season One SPOILER Discusssion

Isn't Ent-F non-canon? If it is, then I hope they just keep it as a Sovereign-class vessel. Those spaceframes are built for 120 years!!

Canonically speaking, the only thing we know for sure is that the Enterprise-E was still in service at the end of Star Trek: Nemesis. So far nothing has been mentioned in STP about the Enterprise, so as of yet we don’t know if it’s still in service in 2399, if there’s a newer one in service, or if there is no Enterprise at all at the moment.
 
Canonically speaking, the only thing we know for sure is that the Enterprise-E was still in service at the end of Star Trek: Nemesis. So far nothing has been mentioned in STP about the Enterprise, so as of yet we don’t know if it’s still in service in 2399, if there’s a newer one in service, or if there is no Enterprise at all at the moment.

We know it was in service during the crisis of the Romulan Supernova. The FNN interviewer states that Picard left the Enterprise to command the rescue armada.

Given the very short time (>5 years) between the end of Nemesis and the Romulan disaster it's reasonable to conclude that it was the E-E.
 
We know it was in service during the crisis of the Romulan Supernova. The FNN interviewer states that Picard left the Enterprise to command the rescue armada.

Given the very short time (>5 years) between the end of Nemesis and the Romulan disaster it's reasonable to conclude that it was the E-E.

Thanks, I forgot that.
 
Continuing my notes:

- Why do the Borg ship's forcefields project through empty space to complete the cube's missing corner? Are they using the existing system, which goes all phantom limb syndrome to protect a part of the ship that isn't there anymore?

- Where are Soji and Narek canoodling? Historically, the Borg aren't big on rooms - most everywhere we see on a typical cube are just hallways or junctions thereof, where specific things are done as needed. This room's walls are incongruous with what we see outside. Probably a portable habitat installed in an otherwise empty space?

- It's amazing that after all this time, this is only the THIRD Stargazer crew member besides Picard who has been named, after Jack Crusher and Vigo. Apparently everyone's human too, though there's plenty of precedent for guest starship crewers to be almost entirely human when they show up on a view screen.

- The walk-through transporter portals are cool. But at least at SFHQ, there are no apparent consoles to program it for a destination. People are seen simply walking through - do they identify where they're going via combadge or tricoder or phone?

- I'm guessing we're meant to think the SFHQ building is a replacement for the one seen on the Presidio in DS9 et al.? Was the previous one destroyed by the Breen attack? We only saw Starfleet Academy (and the bridge) wrecked in that episode. While visually similar to its predecessor, it notably lacks any signage on the outside, or tiny starship models. Also, it has very 21st century front doors, electrical plugs, and fire alarms.

- Speaking of the bridge, it's not only recovered but covered in solar panels. Retro energy display? Did they rebuild it to 2250 spec, since it looks exactly as it did during the DSC episodes it's in? In the 2270s it had covered tubes, but in an alternate 2394 they had been replaced by circular tubes, visible as assorted rubberneckers were gawking at Voyager's return.

- I can't tell you how warmed my heart was on hearing a new version of the "hey I'm here" door chime, before someone said "come". :)

- I wonder about the specific choices behind Admiral Clancy's uniform. The grey and black palette ceratinly calls back to the TNG movie uniforms, but the neckpiece screams civilian. The TNG era is no stranger to wierd Admiral uniforms, having seen at least three different ones in the first two TNG seasons alone, but it had generally settled down to a single design that matched the style of the general duty uniforms of the day. Or perhaps this is more like the various Captain's uniform variants we've seen over the years?

- Picard was requesting a "small, warp-capable reconnaissance ship with a minimal crew". I guess just saying "gimme a Runabout" was asking too much? There aren't THAT many ship types that fit the bill.
 
The "small warp capable reconnaissance ship" could have any number of classes fit into it...Nova, Luna, Saber, Runabout etc
 
The "small warp capable reconnaissance ship" could have any number of classes fit into it...Nova, Luna, Saber, Runabout etc
I think if you want to conduct clandestine reconnaissance - you're talking about something like a runabout or Captains Yacht, or (presumably) the dozens of other classes in service that fit the bill.

As soon as you talk about Nova, Saber etc - you're in starship territory, with dozens of crew members, planning etc.
 
Continuing my notes:
- I'm guessing we're meant to think the SFHQ building is a replacement for the one seen on the Presidio in DS9 et al.? Was the previous one destroyed by the Breen attack? We only saw Starfleet Academy (and the bridge) wrecked in that episode. While visually similar to its predecessor, it notably lacks any signage on the outside, or tiny starship models. Also, it has very 21st century front doors, electrical plugs, and fire alarms.

Not to go down a rabbit hole, but one of the best revelations in my life was that when I actually moved to San Francisco 5 years ago, I discovered that SFHQ is NOT ACTUALLY IN SAN FRANCISCO. Mind blown!

It's always been in present-day Marin (first exit ramp off the Golden Gate Bridge as you leave San Francisco. There's a vista point, Coastguard station and a museum there right now). Here's proof:
SFHQ from Enterprise - the coast is a lot steeper on the north side than on the south (which leads into the Presidio)
Starfleet_headquarters_2150s.jpg

San_Francisco_attacked.jpg


In The Voyage Home it was in the Marin Headlands - about a mile west of the Golden Gate Bridge also in Marin (north of San Francisco). - you can tell because you can see the city of San Francisco on the horizon which is the exact same view as if you stood on the Marin Headlands or maybe Point Bonita

SF Headquarters

The trick one is TNG/VOY - could be the south east of the GGB (in Crissy Fields, next to the Presidio) or north west of the GGB as in STIV.

Homefront
 
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Rebuilding the Golden Gate Bridge is going to be an exercise in frivolity no matter what: I doubt the structure serves any practical purpose in the 24th century. But it used to be a practical construct; if they're going to recreate the thing for make-believe, they could just as well give it all its old functionalities, regardless of the level of uselessness, and thus ranging from the original straits-crossing function to the solar panels that may have been ornamental antiques in the 2250s already.

I wonder if the new HQ building isn't related? Whether the Breen hit the previous one dead on or not, the same tech that is being used in the quantum archives might be applicable to construction, making the creation of retro buildings more or less trivial. Perhaps that building is only scheduled to stand for two years, after which somebody with admin privileges will say "Computer, erase current building and substitute Livadia Palace in its Yalta Conference guise, circa February 1st 1945, but omit the bugs in the guest rooms and the whole interrogation complex. Except for one Romulan-proof chamber."?

As for Picard's small ship, in practice he was begging for a crew there. Small vessels with suitable armament and sensors would probably be a legion, as long as Picard didn't mention Genesis out too loud. A crew and related official commitment is what Starfleet wasn't going to give him.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Not to go down a rabbit hole, but one of the best revelations in my life was that when I actually moved to San Francisco 5 years ago, I discovered that SFHQ is NOT ACTUALLY IN SAN FRANCISCO. Mind blown!

It's always been in present-day Marin (first exit ramp off the Golden Gate Bridge as you leave San Francisco. There's a vista point, Coastguard station and a museum there right now). Here's proof:
SFHQ from Enterprise - the coast is a lot steeper on the north side than on the south (which leads into the Presidio)
Starfleet_headquarters_2150s.jpg

San_Francisco_attacked.jpg


In The Voyage Home it was in the Marin Headlands - about a mile west of the Golden Gate Bridge also in Marin (north of San Francisco). - you can tell because you can see the city of San Francisco on the horizon which is the exact same view as if you stood on the Marin Headlands or maybe Point Bonita
starfleet-command-2364-conspiracy.jpg


The trick one is TNG/VOY - could be the south east of the GGB (in Crissy Fields, next to the Presidio) or north west of the GGB as in STIV.
tillman-homefront.jpg

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/starfleet_buildings.htm
 
Yup. We might do well to say that "Starfleet Headquarters" and "Starfleet Academy" are both expansive concepts and basically synonymous with "San Francisco", there being an office building or five for each in basically every district of the city. Where the Big Boss decides to sit during the working hours depends on her or him, basically. As does which lounge she books for entertaining her guests on a particular evening, or which auditorium is set aside for the trial or debate or conference of the day.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I hated it when the admiral used curse words when talking to Jean-Luc Picard.

You think we'd be past using curse words by that point in time.
Nah, there will always be times when colorful metaphors will be necessary to make a very strong point. They may not be used as commonly in this era as they are today, however, but there are still a few times when Humans piss each other off apparently.
 
By the time you're an adult and in the work place, you shouldn't be using those words in a professional setting.

There's a difference between using curse words in a professional setting, IE in a presentation or large meeting, and a 1 on 1 in a seemingly private conversation.
 
Not to go down a rabbit hole, but one of the best revelations in my life was that when I actually moved to San Francisco 5 years ago, I discovered that SFHQ is NOT ACTUALLY IN SAN FRANCISCO. Mind blown!

It's always been in present-day Marin (first exit ramp off the Golden Gate Bridge as you leave San Francisco. There's a vista point, Coastguard station and a museum there right now). Here's proof:
SFHQ from Enterprise - the coast is a lot steeper on the north side than on the south (which leads into the Presidio)
Starfleet_headquarters_2150s.jpg

San_Francisco_attacked.jpg


In The Voyage Home it was in the Marin Headlands - about a mile west of the Golden Gate Bridge also in Marin (north of San Francisco). - you can tell because you can see the city of San Francisco on the horizon which is the exact same view as if you stood on the Marin Headlands or maybe Point Bonita

SF Headquarters

The trick one is TNG/VOY - could be the south east of the GGB (in Crissy Fields, next to the Presidio) or north west of the GGB as in STIV.

Homefront

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Am I the only one that thinks the transparent displays are dumb? Imagine reading a screen with things moving behind it or a light shining through it. I know they do it to look “futuristic” but I can’t stand it. It’s played out.
 
I wonder if they are transparent to the user at all.

I mean, the DSC displays that are created in post have the odd quality that they appear the right side right from both sides. If the camera walks around the display (say, down at Engineering), both sides have legible text, which would be optically impossible if the technology actually created letters inside a transparent block. So it may be that what those seemingly transparent slabs "actually" do is project images directly to the eyes of any users the system identifies as looking at the things - and for all other people, the slabs are merely blank and transparent and don't clutter the field of view at all, which is superior to having conventional display screens.

Of course, not all displays in DSC work like that, and some appear to be done on stage rather than in post. But we can turn a blind eye on those - especially if that is the in-universe purpose of the technology in the first place!

Timo Saloniemi
 
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