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ST Phase 2: MIND-SIFTER

whilst I agree it was odd we did not see the method of time travel, I felt it was via the Guardian, not sure Spock could calculate the time as exactly as seen in the episode.

I thought it was pretty apparent that given the use of the Guardian of Forever that Spock and McCoy used it to travel through time, retrieve/rescue Kirk, and return to the 23rd century.

Either way, it was a great editing choice for P2/NV to not bother with the mundanity of showing it. We have enough information from the story to know that that's likely what transpired and I'm ok with that. This isn't a Jane Austen novel; we don't need to see every last moment of every scene depicted in the episode.
 
Well, I think you would agree that either decision would have been "right"--and we would be happy and proud whichever path we had gone down.

It's not really a "right" versus "wrong" choice. It's just a different direction than I would have gone. Of all the changes we needed to make following our aborted 2011 filming, coming up with a script that was more like Shirley's edited version rather than her original version was not actually a dragon we needed to slay for some reason. Without getting into dirty laundry, coming up with a completely new script that still remained faithful to Shirley's original story instead of the rewritten version that made her so sad--no matter how much she might have expected it--was still possible--and probably would have made Shirley even happier and prouder than she now could (very justifiably) be.

No Greg, I will elaborate a bit more, During the conversation I expressed to her that I had not read her un altered story and she gave me the copy. She clearly knew very well form her discussions with me that her original would never had been filmed that way, as she knew Chekov was not a series lead, although she had much affection for that character as well as all the others. She also realized the strength of fan fic was that it could do those kinds of stories where the series could not. TOS was always about the big three, as well it should be! The rest were aways just dressing.

No Greg, I will elaborate a bit more, During the conversation I expressed to her that I had not read her un altered story and she gave me the copy. She clearly knew very well form her discussions with me that her original would never had been filmed that way, as she knew Chekov was not a series lead, although she had much affection for that character as well as all the others. She also realized the strength of fan fic was that it could do those kinds of stories where the series could not. TOS was always about the big three, as well it should be! The rest were aways just dressing.

Understood. And yet our earlier script as approved by you for filming back in 2011 hewed very closely to Shirley's original story--and we didn't bat an eye at all during preproduction and production at how unpopular and unloved the script was going to be.

Like I say: you zigged and I would have zagged. We complement each other and it's no big deal. Our production team benefits from our diversity/IDIC of thought.

True, and a public forum is not the place to discuss the events which led to all the changes. Suffice it to say I made the right decision, and I am very pleased with the results.
 
All of Shirley's friends and family know how much she hated the published version - and almost everyone she ever met after the publication as she would rage against it any time she was given the opportunity.

Fortunately, a number of them, through messages and posts, have expressed their appreciation with how we handled the stories in creating the episode. So, that's something.
 
All of Shirley's friends and family know how much she hated the published version - and almost everyone she ever met after the publication as she would rage against it any time she was given the opportunity.

Fortunately, a number of them, through messages and posts, have expressed their appreciation with how we handled the stories in creating the episode. So, that's something.

Imagine all those appreciations--and probably many more!--if we had realized the version of Shirley's story that she super-duper loved. Like Kor says: "It would have been glorious!"

Nevertheless, all the various appreciations we are receiving-- from me and everyone else--are rightfully earned. My congratulations to you Rob, and the rest of our team on a fantastic episode. I keep hearing "9"s and "9.5"s. Seems about right to me!
 
QUOTE: But it seems you are claiming that you never intended to film Shirley's story in her original version - and that goes beyond goofy and into the ridiculous. "

No Patty, again you are somehow inferring something I never said or alluded to.
I won't go into the many reasons for the change, a public forum is no place for it. If not for the monumental piles of BS going on, I would have stayed the course, finished the earlier version and been derided for having it be even further from the TOS formula.

Shirley made me well aware of the fact that she had no rights to ANY version of the story as she sold them long ago to the rights holder of the book. She never the less gave me her blessings. Several of her family have posted very publicly about our episode and have expressed nice sentiments.
I am pleased with the choice, as are the many people posting about the episode. Is is perfect, nope. nothing ever is.
 
I liked it a lot, it was my favorite fan film of the last year or so.

As for the framing in the Scotty /McCoy scenes I actually thought the blank space worked because it emphasized Kirk's absence in a way that centering them in the screen wouldn't have done.
 
I thought it was pretty apparent that given the use of the Guardian of Forever that Spock and McCoy used it to travel through time, retrieve/rescue Kirk, and return to the 23rd century.

Either way, it was a great editing choice for P2/NV to not bother with the mundanity of showing it. We have enough information from the story to know that that's likely what transpired and I'm ok with that. This isn't a Jane Austen novel; we don't need to see every last moment of every scene depicted in the episode.

While I agree we didn't need to see Bones and Spock go through the Guardian, we should have seen them arrive at the hospital and their attempts to get in. Seeing them take out the orderlies that beat up Kirk would have been satisfying. As it plays now, there isn't any drama or suspense, because they pop up out of nowhere and save the captain.

However, this is a minor nit. I completely enjoyed this episode. Well done to everyone involved!

Neil
 
I thought it was pretty apparent that given the use of the Guardian of Forever that Spock and McCoy used it to travel through time, retrieve/rescue Kirk, and return to the 23rd century.

Either way, it was a great editing choice for P2/NV to not bother with the mundanity of showing it. We have enough information from the story to know that that's likely what transpired and I'm ok with that. This isn't a Jane Austen novel; we don't need to see every last moment of every scene depicted in the episode.

While I agree we didn't need to see Bones and Spock go through the Guardian, we should have seen them arrive at the hospital and their attempts to get in. Seeing them take out the orderlies that beat up Kirk would have been satisfying. As it plays now, there isn't any drama or suspense, because they pop up out of nowhere and save the captain.

However, this is a minor nit. I completely enjoyed this episode. Well done to everyone involved!

Neil

I think they made the right decision in not showing it. Focusing on the difficulty of getting into the hospital would have weakened the real story. It's the same reason we don't see Jim taken on camera. It's not the story.
 
Thank you Phase II (New Voyages) Team for another great episode. Though with its running time with well over an hour it never feels like there are those talky traps other episodes before have walked in (Especially looking at Blood & Fire here).

I really enjoyed the Retro SFX version, though some shots feel "newer", especially our beloved Starship moving through those fast moving stars... But I love Daren's ENTERPRISE more than Tobias' one, because it looks a lot smoother and feels a little more "60's" real. And we have the deserved D-7s, yeah!
I also watched Tobias' version, and yes, he's great with SFX - but just as it has been said, the episode takes place within TOS' 2nd season, so Daren's SFX fit just "more" IMHO.

Minor nitpicks would include Bones' Memorial speech, where he speaks about "Because we're human and this is what Humans do" - while an insert of Xon is placed... feels like a strange editing choice to me.

Another one is about Jan Hamlin and her inside voice saying: "It'll be safe now" around 57:35 - but that's only occuring in the Retro SFX version. Minor audio leftover from a scene taking place seconds later.

It's an emotional episode, and it's good. WEAT, though, is nowhere near in danger - still the best P2 episode!

Jeff Bond and Raven Wood are to be congratulated for being the best actors here.

I guess, it have been Writer's and Director's to let Mr. Stacy behave so emotional, whereas Leonard Nimoy's approach would have been to act more cold and arrogant as usual, only for Doc 'Bones' to see under his "shield". Emo-Spock would have displayed only when being alone. But, as I guess, It's been so by choice here.

Nice first outing by Mr. Gross - though he feels a little young in his role. Even a Kirok, stripped of Kirk's memories, stayed "decisive" and strong in his mental state. Here we almost saw the teenage version of Kirk instead of a tortured but more adult version of his self. But that's also by choice, I guess.

BTW - Verrrry nice cameo! I don't say more!

Thanks again. Though I had my minor ntipicks I felt very much entertained for the whole run!
 
Jeff Bond and Raven Wood are to be congratulated for being the best actors here.
I tend to think the guest stars, get an easier ride on fan films, in that they are playing brand new characters, and there is no comparison between them and another actor.
 
I don't bother posting reviews these days, because regardless of tone or intent, you usually end up pissing someone off.

So I'll simply chip in to say I enjoyed it very much. Are there nits to pick? Sure, nothing's ever perfect, but I'll leave that to more eloquent persons than I. :)

But I do want to add that I loved what Brian Gross brought to the table here. His take on Kirk is his own and it's a worthy one.

My thanks to all involved for an entertaining time. :)
 
whilst I agree it was odd we did not see the method of time travel, I felt it was via the Guardian, not sure Spock could calculate the time as exactly as seen in the episode.

"Assignment Earth" says otherwise. The Guardian was not precise, either, as they could not jump through at a specific moment.
 
Just watched it and really enjoyed it!
Bones was probably the best fanfilm Bones I've seen! He wasn't perfect - the accent fluctuated a bit - but overall, I was very impressed!
 
whilst I agree it was odd we did not see the method of time travel, I felt it was via the Guardian, not sure Spock could calculate the time as exactly as seen in the episode.

"Assignment Earth" says otherwise. The Guardian was not precise, either, as they could not jump through at a specific moment.

"Mind-Sifter" takes place after "City on the Edge of Forever" but before "Yesteryear." As we see in "Yesteryear," the Guardian's precision seems to have become greater than it was in "CotEoF:"

KIRK:...Guardian! Did you hear that?
GUARDIAN: I hear all!
KIRK: Is it possible for Spock to return to Vulcan and repair the timeline that has been broken, so all is the same as before?
GUARDIAN: It is possible--if no other major factor is changed.
SPOCK: I wish to visit the planet Vulcan, thirty years past, the month of Tasmeen. Location: near the city of ShiKahr.
GUARDIAN: The time and place are ready to receive you.

So the Guardian of Forever seems to now have some new tricks in its bag. Could it be sentient--and growing--learning?
 
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DoubleHiFive, Mark Edward Lewis here, Director of Mind-Sifter. First, allow me to say thanks for a wonderful review of our movie. I believe you perceived so much of the subtext of what I was trying to get across in the performances and editing. I greatly appreciate the time and effort you put forth in a wonderful and forensic review.

I'm compelled to clarify a few of your queries just so there's no confusion, and in no way am I attempting to downplay or argue your legitimate opinion. Merely clarification for the enjoyment of the many people who I trust will read your excellent review:

1. When we say the "audio is terrible throughout," I believe what you mean is the dialogue is terrible throughout. I trust you were able to watch the 5.1 surround version which is completely different movie than the simple stereo-on-internet. I also trust you were able to watch and listen on a good system rather than computer speakers (Apple TV not being one of those 'good systems'). This said, I agree that the dialogue is something the sound production crew struggled with in the new studio. Many of the ADR lines had to be conformed to the set audio and some of the fidelity suffered. However, I don't believe the performances suffered and the intent and flow of the movie seems to okay. However, I agree, of the technical issues, we have struggled with dialogue.

2. you are certainly correct. 20,000 feet was aired in 1963...and to have 3 Captain Kirk's on the screen at the same time was just TOO JUICY to pass up!

3. I'm glad you appreciate the space battle - in all its brevity. Actually, it has nothing to do with the JJ-trek versions and is my personal experience as the most efficient and powerful way a Connie can defend against the first-strike capability of a D-7 Mark IV while playing FASA Starship Combat Simulator hundreds of times growing up. Consider the barrel-roll defense a childhood dream-come-true which Tobias Richter executed with diplomb...and for me, as you mentioned, the "tactical playbook" Gamma-3 which Spock would have invented LONG before the 24th century version - was the perfect opportunity to show the Enterprise doing something it would never otherwise do - under the command of a commander it would never otherwise have in Spock. Too much fun!

4. Most of your consideration for our "adaptation of the story" toward JJ-trek had nothing to do with that...we were staying true to the characters given the wonderful script. Whereas, Spock and Kirk are both managing insanity from their psychic link being stretched 350 years or so. Thus, Spock is quite emotional, and Kirk is, well, insane. Brandon and I had a wonderful time exploring the nuances of just what that would look like in this universe, and I believe we nailed a palatable performance for humans to watch and Vulcans to be slightly embarrassed about. :D Moreover, for me, of any Spock I've ever seen on screen, including Leonard, Stacy is superior.

5. When we talk about "poorly framed shots" I must defend the choices of world-class Cinematographer Jeff Barklage. We specifically and purposefully worked toward artistic composition found in modern artwork and the understood cinema rules around position instead of just framing actors in the horrific middle-of-screen position done in TOS. Much like my choice to do this episode in 4:3, my intent, due to the nature of the script, was to emphasize the performance of the actors at every step; to engage them and connect them more with the audience. Splitting the screen in the middle actually disconnects actors from THEMSELVES in a scene - and thus the viewer. So, we did purposeful avoidance of center-screen composition not just because it serves the story better, but because it just looks aweful. The "wasted space" is actually called negative space and, especially in the example you have of McCoy's salute, would have no ability to be framed had there been no such space - or the camera or focal length of the lens would be so removed from our characters as to lose the moment. And just as a correction, there is no Steadicam work in this film.

6. Spock's self-mind-meld is a wonderful device we came up with which is the last-resort of Spock to try to find his friend in the psychic link, since he had no other way to get in touch with his friend. Naturally, since no one had ever thought of such a thing, to have your concern about it is a wonderful win for myself as a story-teller given that, as a device, the intention was to wake viewers up and engage their minds...which clearly in your case (and so many others who have voiced concern and glee) we succeeded. As a plot link, it opens up an entire new world to the relationship of Spock and Kirk. Thanks for noticing all. Por Todo Gracias.

7. I defend my friend Tobias Richter's work as superior to anything in the JJ verse or ANY verse. His work is superior and non-derivative.

8. And I know as much fun as it is to continue harping on the Vic/James issues, both men are personal friends of mine. Although I was the Post Supervisor and final editor on Kitumba, I was not allowed jurisdiction on Vic's directorial placement in that movie - the position of which I feel badly about. However, as director on Mind-Sifter I did request (as was my right to request) the director single title card. As surely as I would not slight James, I would not slight Vic. Both men are involved in making the world a better place via productions surrounding IDIC. I salute them both. My credit should be considered to be solely a record of my involvement, and it has no bearing on anything else...well...okay...except that I'm proud of it as well. :D

9. I'm afraid you are incorrect. That is, in fact K-7. Please see Kitumba and other episodes.

10. Thank you for catching the McCoy continuity. I'll fix that for any BD/DVD release!

11. Thanks too for noticing my other childhood dream...ahem...of the all female night shift. OH MY!!

I'll also confirm that THT is well on its way to being a similarly successful and emotionally riveting STNV film. And again, thank you SO MUCH for your wonderful review and careful consideration. I wish more reviewers were as concise and will written and read as you.

IDIC in all things.

Mark Edward Lewis
 
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