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Spoilers ST Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Three SPOILER Discussion

More from the pre-credits sequence, which I sneaked a look at early. Please don't tell my wife I spoiled myself. ;)

- All the ships seen in 3x03 are seen here plus a few more. The Nog and Voyager are granted a little extra screen time as scans on various Disco bridge monitors.

- Nilsson announces that she's detected previously-theorhetical "neutronium alloy fibers". The first chronological appearance of neutronium is in TOS "The Doomsday Machine", which therefore tracks.

- The USS Nog is the first screen-canon starship with six numbers in its registry. Arguably the design (and the USS Nog) is well over a century old, but assuming registries are sequential in general, does this suggest that starship construction ain't as rapid as it used to be? In theory we've gone through some 240 years of Starfleet history from the founding of the Federation to the last episode of "Picard", and have barely scratched the surface of the NCC-80000s by that point.

- Tilly spots the J on the end of this Voyager's reg and instantly concludes that it's the tenth (eleventh) Voyager. This in turn suggests that popping a letter on the end of a registry didn't happen first with the Enterprise-A (which happened almost three decades after they left), and that it was a known practice in the 2250s.

- Organic hulls! Holographic hulls! Nothing we haven't REALLY seen in Starfleet (or am I confusing with that one episode of Red Dwarf). WRT the "holographic containment walls", I'm guessing that doesn't mean that the WHOLE SHIP is holographic, but that parts of the hull are composed of photonic matter that is somehow reliable enough to stay in place if the power fails. Or then again, maybe it's where the holographic sentients hang out.

- "Is that a new Constitution?" trumpets Owo. Probably just going off of the ship's general configuration, which is the most traditionally "Enterprise-esque" design we've seen in the mix. Of course, sleeping a crew of 1000-2000 isn't a big deal even 100 years after they left, but it suggests that crews bigger than the Constitution of the day was not common.

- Detached nacelles are weird, but we saw that Burnham was flying a ship with some form of this earlier (which the Disco crew didn't see). Also the orbital ships around Earth had some form of detached modules.

- On that, how DO you get power from the core between hulls? Maybe the cores are somehow in the nacelles and held in place by permanent tractor fields?

- What looks like half the remaining crew of Discovery all gather around ONE bank of windows on ONE deck of the ship to nerd out at the stuff going by. This is really just the usual corridor set with new elements punched out. Naturally this doesn't match the aesthetic of the rabbit's tooth windows that dot the exterior - one wonders why they didn't just use the existing mess hall set that has windows ready-punched for this sort of thing.

- Advanced scanners that can pick out particular species aren't a big deal in the 24th century. Not sure if that happened much in the ENT era though.

- Upon their orders to beam out, Saru hands the conn over to Lt. Nilsson, even though Commander Nhan is standing right next to her. Nilsson has been seen in the center chair before, too. I'm guessing it's some combination of Nilsson being the designated officer of the watch, or more than she is command division where Nhan is engineering / security / whatever she is now.

- The transporter effect is the same as that used by Earth. It MIGHT be the same as the one used by Book and the other guys using the personal transporters. They have the same sound effect, at least.

Mark
 
Having starship construction slow down seems reasonable: they're only up to the 1701-J in the 26th century, even though they covered nil to E in just a single century. And there's even less "progress" with 74656... I guess ships simply got more durable at some point. Plus faster, so you don't need so many more to cover the expanding field of operations.

As for letter suffices in general, the 1305 was leading the 1701 by one letter; I guess the original Yamato distinguished herself before DSC already, in the famed Battle of Ganymede.

Looking forward to seeing all this myself tomorrow...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Grown hulls might be a reference to Doug Drexler's head canon that the Enterprise-J was grown, or it could be a coincidence.

Advanced scanners that can pick out particular species aren't a big deal in the 24th century.
24th Century sensors, at least before TNG couldn't detect a trill symbiont.

The USS Nog is the first screen-canon starship with six numbers in its registry.
Ahem
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Relativity

As for letter suffices in general, the 1305 was leading the 1701 by one letter; I guess the original Yamato distinguished herself
That's been retconned away.

Edit:
CBS told TrekCore that the Voyager-J's class is also called Intrepid.
http://blog.trekcore.com/2020/11/star-trek-discovery-review-die-trying/
 
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I stand corrected on the Relativity. But OTOH, I could qualify that the Relativity was a TIMEship, and not strictly a STARship, and that the reg is the good ol' NCC variety.

Mark
 
24th Century sensors, at least before TNG couldn't detect a trill symbiont.

Rather, they weren't pointed at Trill symbionts. Had Odan agreed to being transported, sensors would have been pointed at it, and its cover would have been blown.

24th century sensors can't tell anything about the medical state of a person in general, unless somebody specifically waves a doodad at them. There's no general scanning infrastructure in place to inform anybody of the fact that Admiral Quinn has a bug buried in his neck - or that Ambassador K'Ehleyr has been sliced and diced and is bleeding to death in her quarters. Privacy trumps the need for surveillance.

That's been retconned away.

And may just have been retconned back.

Timo Saloniemi
 
CBS told TrekCore that the Voyager-J's class is also called Intrepid.
http://blog.trekcore.com/2020/11/star-trek-discovery-review-die-trying/
While I’d like to think that CBS was quoted out of context and that the Voyager-J is not literally of an Intrepid-class, there is precedent. The current F-35 is called Lightning II and is named for both the P-38 fighter of WWII as well as the British BAC Lightning jet during the Cold War.

Perhaps we’ll unofficially call the Voyager-J’s class “Intrepid II” class for now, or until we get a better moniker.

Mark
 
While I’d like to think that CBS was quoted out of context and that the Voyager-J is not literally of an Intrepid-class, there is precedent.
I never said it was literally an intrepid and neither did TrekCore.

Though based on some shots the design does seem to be greatly inspired by the Intrepid class in general shape.
 
- Organic hulls! Holographic hulls! Nothing we haven't REALLY seen in Starfleet (or am I confusing with that one episode of Red Dwarf). WRT the "holographic containment walls", I'm guessing that doesn't mean that the WHOLE SHIP is holographic, but that parts of the hull are composed of photonic matter that is somehow reliable enough to stay in place if the power fails. Or then again, maybe it's where the holographic sentients hang out.
The debrief scene owes something to Red Dwarf’s “Back in the Red”, perhaps.
“Glasses Guy” Cronenberg calls the interrogators “my holograms”- are they co-workers or servants?
Where did Phillipa get data on 3189 hologram blink disruption?
 
I never said it was literally an intrepid and neither did TrekCore.

From TrekCore:

We’ve confirmed with CBS that the Voyager-J is 32nd century Intrepid-class starship — the same class designation as Captain Janeway’s Voyager, but with 800 years of evolution beneath the hull.

Sounds like they literally meant it to me.
 
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“Glasses Guy” Cronenberg calls the interrogators “my holograms”- are they co-workers or servants?
For now, my impression is the holograms are non-people AI. They all have either over exuberant (bow tie doctor) or dull personalities (interogators). The eye flicker flaw is also indicitive of dumb AI in that it is too close to that of the logic self destruct flaws of TOS intelligent machines.
Where did Phillipa get data on 3189 hologram blink disruption?
That deeply bugs me, not least of all because it shows she magically knows anything about modern holograms, but because it implies there has been no advancement since her time, or a really dumb fall in sophistication. I really hope it isn't any of that, and instead a very clever test by Glasses McThirtyone. His knowledge and handling of things is impressive.
 
Now that I think about it, the introduction of Harry Mudd's Time Crystal device that can cause a Time Loop is invaluable.
Imagine all the things you can do right in life or try again if it's critical moment.

Assuming it runs on some form of Temporal Energy and the system allows you to Time Loop a limited amount of loops as long as there is energy to power the Loop. Each Time Loop consumes some amount of Temporal Energy in your Temporal Energy Battery. That would allow you to approach any problem multiple times, gather results & data, and feed it back to yourself for numerous retries. That could be a life saver for many people.
 
The admiral, or someone near him, says Starfleet doesn't really explore any more? So I wonder if an Enterprise-P, really any ship like the Enterprise-J, is even in service. I believe some of Burnham's point in letting the Discovery go, and keeping its crew intact, is not just that it is fast, and ready to go, but that it is a science vessel making it uniquely suited to solving a science problem.

On the other hand, Adira and her boyfriend were on some sort of "generation ship" carrying Admiral Tal (how else could Grey have got Tal in him) implying the existence of large exploration ships, even if their missions aren't science.
 
The ship probably either recently stopped at Earth, or was built at Earth and launched from there. And her one known mission was to find Starfleet; that is, it was stated to be the mission, even if Tal fully well knew where the HQ was hidden. So I'm not ready to believe in exploration there, but more like pilgrimage, and in the form of a cult where the leader is in fact a misleader...

Timo Saloniemi
 
If this Federation HQ is so isolated, wouldn't it stand to reason that other chunks of Federation members including StarFleet who lost communique with Federation HQ on Earth reassemble everybody they can contact nearby and make a temporary local HQ in their region?

We could potentially see over a dozen UFP / StarFleet remanents with their own local StarFleet / UFP HQ's in their neck of the woods.
 
Has the been any speculation that Discovery's forward torpedo launchers are actually the two prongs of the forward deflector? I can't seem to find anything supporting or discounting this in Memory Alpha or otherwise here.

I saw a Fleet Command game ad on TV today and saw weapons being "fired" from the deflector, possibly even torpedoes. I'd normally dismiss this as it's hardly on-screen footage, but especially given the scale of those two prongs and the clear lack of more traditional torpedo launcher ports... I'm now nursing the idea that it's no obvious omission and more a simple lack of opportunity to see this ship fire torpedoes from these ports that've been there the whole time. The recent close-up of the two prongs i 3x03 reinforces this notion as it shows that they are actual barrels and not simply pointy antennae as they are on the Constitution class.

Thoughts?

Mark
 
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