Sneaked an early look again...
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Spoilers ST Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Three SPOILER Discussion
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The new TriCom badges use hand gestures:
Up - Holopadd
Squeeze and pull out - Tricorder
Tap - Transporter controls
Double tap - Transport to home
So the thing monitors your hand movements... guess a lot of single officers get all kinds of holo stuff in their face all the time
Up - Holopadd
Squeeze and pull out - Tricorder
Tap - Transporter controls
Double tap - Transport to home
So the thing monitors your hand movements... guess a lot of single officers get all kinds of holo stuff in their face all the time
So does that mean if we see the Enterprise-M, that it’s actually the Enterprise-E with 8 different upgrades? Looks like I was right that the Enterprise-J from “Azati Prime” was from an alternate timeline...
I'm guessing that the use of 1031-A means that they didn't re-use 1031 for any subsequent starships named Discovery. Actually makes sense given the actions to erase her from the books altogether back then. As for NOW, I guess that she was changed so much that giving her a new registry makes sense to 3180s Starfleet. Or the guy on Paint Duty was having a little fun with a number people rarely actually see, like someone had fun with the replacement Defiant.
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We don't know that.
Remember the Discovery was technically listed as destroyed in 23rd century, this might be them just covering up that this is the original ship.
the database keepers.
Makes sense, I guess. So it's play-pretend from now on for our heroes...
...Which makes it all the weirder that they wouldn't have camouflaged the ship further. And making the nacelles free-flying would have been a prime opportunity to simply, you know, swap them for something more modern, if they're remaking the warp drive system anyway.
Seems the class of the Hiawatha got produced in significant numbers. A bit inconvenient in the NCC-800 registry range, crowding that one a lot. Then again, if there are plenty to choose from, perhaps relatively few would have been medical frigates, meaning Saru's eyesight really contributed to the identification in "Brother". The type might have been a transport otherwise, with just a handful getting surgery containers - and possibly NCC numbers, the standard cargo haulers being NCC-F or whatever and thus solving the crowding issue.
Timo Saloniemi
...Which makes it all the weirder that they wouldn't have camouflaged the ship further. And making the nacelles free-flying would have been a prime opportunity to simply, you know, swap them for something more modern, if they're remaking the warp drive system anyway.
Seems the class of the Hiawatha got produced in significant numbers. A bit inconvenient in the NCC-800 registry range, crowding that one a lot. Then again, if there are plenty to choose from, perhaps relatively few would have been medical frigates, meaning Saru's eyesight really contributed to the identification in "Brother". The type might have been a transport otherwise, with just a handful getting surgery containers - and possibly NCC numbers, the standard cargo haulers being NCC-F or whatever and thus solving the crowding issue.
Timo Saloniemi
Errata regarding the refit:
- The hull right next to the nacelles is just empty space now, or rather has become a pair of pylons plus a hole in between. Perhaps the tips of the secondary hull were always like that, and the decision to spread out a conventional rectangular hull into a stylish triangle was an aesthetically based one...
- They redid a large number of rim windows, it seems. I seriously doubt this will be extended to the sets. So what's the deal there? Are those long glowing slits actually light shows on top of the rabbit-tooth or rectangular windows that are still there?
- Eliminating the spokes between the inner and outer rings of the primary hull is perfectly excusable now that everybody can just transport. I wonder if we could dream up a reason to eliminate them, though.
- The fact that the DOT-7's and old workbees contribute to the refit might suggest Vance is short on means. The extent of the refit suggests he isn't. Why bother with any of that if programmable matter?
Timo Saloniemi
- The hull right next to the nacelles is just empty space now, or rather has become a pair of pylons plus a hole in between. Perhaps the tips of the secondary hull were always like that, and the decision to spread out a conventional rectangular hull into a stylish triangle was an aesthetically based one...
- They redid a large number of rim windows, it seems. I seriously doubt this will be extended to the sets. So what's the deal there? Are those long glowing slits actually light shows on top of the rabbit-tooth or rectangular windows that are still there?
- Eliminating the spokes between the inner and outer rings of the primary hull is perfectly excusable now that everybody can just transport. I wonder if we could dream up a reason to eliminate them, though.
- The fact that the DOT-7's and old workbees contribute to the refit might suggest Vance is short on means. The extent of the refit suggests he isn't. Why bother with any of that if programmable matter?
Timo Saloniemi
The nacelles look different
Yeah, the nacelles are at least visually different - with the glowing triangular rim / nacelle cap.
I’m ‘champing at the bit’ to see more images of the Refit 1031-A!
I’m ‘champing at the bit’ to see more images of the Refit 1031-A!
Having the Discovery crew (using Discovery equipment) help install the upgrades would both serve to train them on the new technologies, and ensure there were no surprises implementing the upgrades on technologies no contemporary engineers would be familiar with.
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I think the biggest single change that can be perceived here is a loss of mass in the Discovery. With the removal of the connecting struts between the saucer rings, large portions of the secondary hull being scooped out, the removal of the old deflector altogether, and of course the now-detached nacelles, a significant portion of the original mass of Discovery is sure to have been removed.
But the question is, does this compensate for all the stuff ADDED to the ship? The hull's skin has been overall replaced or covered over with new plating, which in many ways can be a Voyager-style Batmobile makeover at the very least, given that the changes MIGHT be only skin-deep if practically all the ship's interiors look unchanged. It's possible the ship's main skeletal structure has been improved, replaced, or reinforced with programmable matter - I like the idea that they literally applied something to the main structure that literally turns it into grey goo and then replaces it with something lighter and/or stronger. Between this, reliable closed-circuit transporter badges, and certainly-enhanced SIF/IDF technologies, someone may have made a judgement call that the saucer connecting struts wouldn't even be needed anymore.
And as for the nacelles, Saru states that the newly-detached status gives them greater maneuverability and efficiency. If the nacelles are now somehow self-powered, that may indeed be true, meaning that the main power source aboard ship doesn't have to worry about lugging the mass of the nacelles around and leaving them to worry about creating the warp field and keeping up with the rest of the ship at sublight speeds. And firing torpedoes, I guess. :P
What remains to be seen is if the upgrades to our hero ship were a rush job or an AI-decided set of upgrades in order to get the ship to fleet minimum spec in the most reasonable amount of time. Thousand year-old design or not, there are probably physical limitations to the Crossfield class that would STILL keep it out of lockstep with fleet operations, so IMO they just fed the original specs into a big ol' M-500 computer, determined what best they could do with the hundred year-old resources on hand, and hit "run program" to see what they could do. No matter how you look at it, three weeks is a SHORT time to completely refit an existing ship, if not in the execution phase but in the design phase. The closest analogy was Voyager's miraculous building of the Delta Flyer in less than a week, but even then Paris had been tinkering with a design to the point that final mods and construction were reasonable with what they had lying around.
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But the question is, does this compensate for all the stuff ADDED to the ship? The hull's skin has been overall replaced or covered over with new plating, which in many ways can be a Voyager-style Batmobile makeover at the very least, given that the changes MIGHT be only skin-deep if practically all the ship's interiors look unchanged. It's possible the ship's main skeletal structure has been improved, replaced, or reinforced with programmable matter - I like the idea that they literally applied something to the main structure that literally turns it into grey goo and then replaces it with something lighter and/or stronger. Between this, reliable closed-circuit transporter badges, and certainly-enhanced SIF/IDF technologies, someone may have made a judgement call that the saucer connecting struts wouldn't even be needed anymore.
And as for the nacelles, Saru states that the newly-detached status gives them greater maneuverability and efficiency. If the nacelles are now somehow self-powered, that may indeed be true, meaning that the main power source aboard ship doesn't have to worry about lugging the mass of the nacelles around and leaving them to worry about creating the warp field and keeping up with the rest of the ship at sublight speeds. And firing torpedoes, I guess. :P
What remains to be seen is if the upgrades to our hero ship were a rush job or an AI-decided set of upgrades in order to get the ship to fleet minimum spec in the most reasonable amount of time. Thousand year-old design or not, there are probably physical limitations to the Crossfield class that would STILL keep it out of lockstep with fleet operations, so IMO they just fed the original specs into a big ol' M-500 computer, determined what best they could do with the hundred year-old resources on hand, and hit "run program" to see what they could do. No matter how you look at it, three weeks is a SHORT time to completely refit an existing ship, if not in the execution phase but in the design phase. The closest analogy was Voyager's miraculous building of the Delta Flyer in less than a week, but even then Paris had been tinkering with a design to the point that final mods and construction were reasonable with what they had lying around.
Mark
They could have holographic armor, where the defenses are really shields, but shields with the various properties of armor materials giving the best of both worlds. The outer hull might look mottled because it's covered in a layer of programmable matter which maybe makes for an adaptable armor defense, and fills in damage as it occurs.
I think it's the opposite, that all the real changes are under the skin, except for the spoor drive and computer system, or storage with the sphere data, and all the familiar stuff is superficial. They explicitly left the interfaces looking the same to ease transition, so we can take that to mean anything which didn't strictly need changing was likely left unchanged for the sake of familiarity in deference to the crew's sensitivities. That gives us corridors which look identical, identical food slots, and an identical shuttle bay. But, everything under the hood, except the spoor drive and sphere data, is different down to the atoms.
They could beamed the spoor drive and computers out from the old hull, and rebuilt everything else from scratch around those two systems. I doubt that's what was intended, but extrapolating out from TNG they should have abilities like that, especially with ENT "Dead Stop" as an example for a more mundane version.
I really want to see personal shields, and personal structural integrity fields would make sense. All they would have to do is show someone getting shot and survive unharmed, and another person surviving an absolutely deadly impact.
Given how Book's ship flips 180, by breaking apart and each part flipping, that might be a clue as to what is going on with detached nacelles. Perhaps it's just each part taking an optimized path to effectively shrink the hull during wild maneuvers, like a ballerina pulling her arms in to make her spin faster, then sticking them out to slow down.
It's also probably a Voyager reference in regard to her flipping nacelles, since any detached nacelle ship can pull off the same trick.
Probably not. I mean, yeah, two engineering rooms that have an opening revealing the warp core, with Stamets lording over the portside room - but the layout has been implied to be at an angle to ship centerline, so they might both reveal one and the same warp core.
Fortunately, there is precious little dialogue where "the warp core" would go down, or indeed be involved in anything much. The spore drive seems to work fine without it, and when we get the disaster that only Reno can defuse, it is irrelevant whether the one and only warp core is about to fry the heroes, or whether the one dedicated to portside engineering is.
I really wonder why they would place a sickbay in the secondary hull between the engine rooms. The heroes run around a lot in "Sorrow II", and eventually some of them end up bedridden, but there's no major plot reason why they couldn't end up in the primary hull.
Timo Saloniemi
Fortunately, there is precious little dialogue where "the warp core" would go down, or indeed be involved in anything much. The spore drive seems to work fine without it, and when we get the disaster that only Reno can defuse, it is irrelevant whether the one and only warp core is about to fry the heroes, or whether the one dedicated to portside engineering is.
I really wonder why they would place a sickbay in the secondary hull between the engine rooms. The heroes run around a lot in "Sorrow II", and eventually some of them end up bedridden, but there's no major plot reason why they couldn't end up in the primary hull.
Timo Saloniemi
Three weeks for a partial refit does not seem too short with programmable matter. As was pointed out above, only so much you can do with a 2250's spaceframe.
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