*Spoilers* U.S.S. Franklin Design?

[Crazy Eddie]

If you were a 6-foot something Riker looking down right out the window, yes...you'd see the saucer before you. However the camera never had that vantage. Looking flat out the window you wouldn't have seen anything.

Absolutely you would. The top of the hull isn't much more than a meter or two below the edge of that window and extends a completely flat surface at least 80 meters aft.

The only camera angle that wouldn't show the top of the hull through those windows ALSO wouldn't show the floor of the observation lounge. To not be able to see the saucer from those windows would be like not being able to see the street from your first story window.

 

[Timo]

...The one (and only) way for this to work would be for the Observation Lounge to be tilted up so that the floor (of the Lounge and the directly adjoining corridors) actually sloped down from stern to bow, towards the floor of the Bridge. Artificial gravity would certainly allow for that, but the rationale eludes the undersigned. I mean, yeah, it might be a nice way to smoothly match the differing heights of the Lounge and the Bridge, but who would need such a match?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[drt]

You take a torpedo to the front of the bridge without shields, it won't matter what that wall is made of. See the Enterprise-E in Star Trek: Nemesis.

Yep.

Everyone also seems to be forgetting that the Ent-D bridge had a giant sunroof.

 

[Mr. Nova]

If you were a 6-foot something Riker looking down right out the window, yes...you'd see the saucer before you. However the camera never had that vantage. Looking flat out the window you wouldn't have seen anything.


Good Shepherd (6.20)

Thank you! I was lazy and didn't feel like looking it up.

 

[Mr. Nova]

If you were a 6-foot something Riker looking down right out the window, yes...you'd see the saucer before you. However the camera never had that vantage. Looking flat out the window you wouldn't have seen anything.


Good Shepherd (6.20)

Once more with double posts. Sorry. *Sigh*

That episode also revealed a chamber on deck 15 of Voyager that never appeared before or since, even in models, of some kind of sensor module at the very bottom of the engineering hull of Voyager that the physicist occupied. Did it have a window, or was it just a zoom-in effect, like the first part of "The Cage"?

 

[FormerLurker]

The window I remember was the one Jay Underwood looked out as he signed off power requisitions. He liked the solitude down there(or at least his character did).

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Thank you! I was lazy and didn't feel like looking it up.

Once more with double posts. Sorry. *Sigh*

That episode also revealed a chamber on deck 15 of Voyager that never appeared before or since, even in models, of some kind of sensor module at the very bottom of the engineering hull of Voyager that the physicist occupied. Did it have a window, or was it just a zoom-in effect, like the first part of "The Cage"?

+quote>+quote>Insert Quotes>Quote These Messages. Definitely different than it was, more complicated for sure.

 

[Timo]

...I wonder if this tiny porthole that only appears in "The Good Shepherd" wouldn't usually be covered by heavy blast shields. After all, it does sit right next to the phaser emitter, closer even to it than the (regularly appearing) portholes just above the dorsal forward strips on Deck 4.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[publiusr]

The non-aztec patterns seem to be Voderberg tilings of some kind:

https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/symmetry/radspir1.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voderberg_tiling

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Yep.

Everyone also seems to be forgetting that the Ent-D bridge had a giant sunroof.

I haven't. I always wondered why that was never targeted in battle when the shields had gone down to less then 20%

 

[BillJ]

I haven't. I always wondered why that was never targeted in battle when the shields had gone down to less then 20%

Probably because whatever it was made out of, wasn't considered a weak point.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

Blast shutters or not, once the shields are gone, it is pretty much over. As the bridge crew of the Enterprise-E learned in Nemesis.

Actually, the ship (whatever it may be) still has a chance with shields down. The USS Defiant had Ablative Armor. Watched "DS9: The Way Of the Warrior", how about "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan"? "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country"? In these scenarios, ships have no shields but win the battle. In TWOK, the Enterprise (Constitution Class, NCC-1701) went with shields down in both battles (the first, and the Battle of the Mutara Nebula) and still beat Reliant (Miranda Class, NCC-1864). In TUC, the Enterprise (Enterprise Class, NCC-1701-A) had no shields, but destroyed (defeated) General Chang's Bird-Of-Prey with the gas sensing torpedo. In Deep Space 9, Defiant wins countless battles (such as in The Way of the Warrior) with no shields. Because of ARMOR.

 

[BillJ]

Actually, the ship (whatever it may be) still has a chance with shields down. The USS Defiant had Ablative Armor. Watched "DS9: The Way Of the Warrior", how about "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan"? "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country"? In these scenarios, ships have no shields but win the battle. In TWOK, the Enterprise (Constitution Class, NCC-1701) went with shields down in both battles (the first, and the Battle of the Mutara Nebula) and still beat Reliant (Miranda Class, NCC-1864). In TUC, the Enterprise (Enterprise Class, NCC-1701-A) had no shields, but destroyed (defeated) General Chang's Bird-Of-Prey with the gas sensing torpedo. In Deep Space 9, Defiant wins countless battles (such as in The Way of the Warrior) with no shields. Because of ARMOR.

I meant a strike directly on the bridge itself. It won't matter if it is a window or a wall.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

I meant a strike directly on the bridge itself. It won't matter if it is a window or a wall.

Even if you hit the bridge, on Red Alert, there is a standby crew on the Battle Bridge (or Auxiliary Control as it was known in TOS).

 

[PhaserLightShow]

They will respond and return fire. The Battle Bridge is in the center of the ship. The most likely area to survive. Impossible (near) to hit. Sir.

 

[BillJ]

Even if you hit the bridge, on Red Alert, there is a standby crew on the Battle Bridge (or Auxiliary Control as it was known in TOS).

Yes, we're all aware of the staffing of starship departments here. We are talking about the structural integrity of the bridge itself, whether it is better protected with a wall or window. Since it sits on top of the ship in an open position, I believe a direct strike on it with shields down would obliterate it, regardless of what it is constructed with.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

So why don't all the people on the bridge move to the battle bridge or secondary bridge deep in the ship in a battle? Why does everyone stay in the most vulnerable part of the ship ?

 

[BillJ]

So why don't all the people on the bridge move to the battle bridge or secondary bridge deep in the ship in a battle? Why does everyone stay in the most vulnerable part of the ship ?

I really don't know? Just like I don't know why Starfleet keeps putting the bridge in such an exposed spot?

 

[Mage]

I asume moving everyone officer from one bridge to another during a unexpected battle situation would be a bit of a time consuming.

"Sir, Romulan ship decloaking and firing torpedoes!"
"Ok, everyone........to the turbolift and move ten decks down."

Although good looking in terms of design, the bridge really, REALLY needs to be somewhere deep inside the ship. I mean, I haven't seen schematics of Galactica, but I asume C&C is quite deep inside the ship.

 

[JTL]

Although good looking in terms of design, the bridge really, REALLY needs to be somewhere deep inside the ship. I mean, I haven't seen schematics of Galactica, but I asume C&C is quite deep inside the ship.

Talk about Ablative Armor, Galactica took a nuke point blank and shrugged it off for 2.5 seasons.