The difference is, those are *confirmed* time jumps. We already know they occur - just from watching the preview. That's different from ones that we think *should* occur (or that we hope will do so).
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The difference is, those are *confirmed* time jumps. We already know they occur - just from watching the preview. That's different from ones that we think *should* occur (or that we hope will do so).
I don't mind some "Star Wars" territory being explored. I'm just one of those fans who doesn't want the entire movie to seem like an ILM jackoff session where the explosions and action overwhelm the human characters we've come to love over 40+ years.
Right.
And until we learn that the time jumps you were talking about (Cadet to Full Captain) do NOT occur, I will not be concerned about it.
I'm pretty sure there are no worries there, if anything just from what JJ and the writers (not to mention Nimoy) have said about why they've chosen to do certain things this is all about the human aspect of the characters.
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I seem to recall Nimoy boasting about the "Star Wars Bar" scene in ST III, where McCoy is arrested for trying to buy a trip to Genesis. The scene was meant to be a homage to a Lucas-style cantina, with funky aliens, and everyone seemed rather chuffed by it.
Why are we assuming that Kirk is actually a cadet at this stage of the film? Couldn't he be disguised as a cadet and be sneaking aboard the Enterprise because it is going to Vulcan to face the baddie that killed daddy? I think that is more plausible than Kirk the cadet coming on board and being left in charge with Spock.
Am I missing something?
Well, we haven't seen those characters for about fifteen years - and they were really old, then.
Because he is dressed as one. Why assume anything else?
Why would he need to do that?
Because a commander showing up, unassigned, on the Enterprise is more conspicuous than a cadet.
Hell, I don't know, but I just don't believe that Kirk would be a cadet. Even with all the timeline bullshit. It just seems too much of a change to believably pull off. If he is trying to get on the ship unnoticed, doing so in a cadet uniform would help.
But maybe he's a cadet, and whatever. If it works in the context of the story and the character, fine. But it might be tough to pull off.
Is it me or was there a picture of Bana with hacked off ears? either by him or someone else - Romulans or Klingons. I think he is a peaceful Romulan who went back in time to do good but slowly turned evil. And he wants to destroy Vulcan for being prejudice and rejecting him so there is a good story there somewhere. Too bad I had a similar story floating around Hollywood for a while. Where he is a Romulan peace Ambassador, mine was a Klingon peace Ambassabor - Khitomer. Man they owe me alot of money. Oh well.
Unnoticed? By whom? Nero? I doubt that, since Nero doesn't care what rank Kirk is - Nero just wants Kirk dead.
We don't know for sure that cadets dress in black shirts. In fact, I thought cadets wore those red pants and red tunic.
Anyway, perhaps (just perhaps -- all I can do is make wild guesses) the we saw Kirk in the black shirt is a Lieutenant Commander and Starfleet Academy Instructor, with black being the color worn by instructors. Perhaps Kirk was assigned to be an instructor at the academy after the Farragut incident, and now must prove to himself that he can lead again.
This would fit in with what we learned on TOS, but of course, none of this matches the rumored plot that we have been hearing about -- so my theory is probably a bunch of hogwash.
Didn't Abrams (or perhaps Orci and/or Kurtzman) specifically say that they do?
I always thought those were full-dress formal uniforms, not normal duty wear.
Anyway, perhaps (just perhaps -- all I can do is make wild guesses) the we saw Kirk in the black shirt is a Lieutenant Commander and Starfleet Academy Instructor, with black being the color worn by instructors. Perhaps Kirk was assigned to be an instructor at the academy after the Farragut incident, and now must prove to himself that he can lead again.
This would fit in with what we learned on TOS, but of course, none of this matches the rumored plot that we have been hearing about -- so my theory is probably a bunch of hogwash.
It would make a lot more sense if that were the case. Jumping from Lieutenant Commander to Captain would be a lot less weird than going from *Cadet* to Captain.
(FWIW, though, Kirk's time as an Academy instructor was when he was a Lieutenant. Quote Gary Mitchell: "Watch out for Lieutenant Kirk! In his class, you either think or sink!")
We have seen the previews.
Perhaps. Perhaps not.
True.
Perhaps when Gary was a Cadet, Kirk was a Lieutenant, but then he was later promoted to Lt. Cmdr. while still teaching at the Academy (maybe he was an exceptionally good teacher who deserved a promotion.)
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And we all know that movie previews are never misleading or deliberately obtuse.
The amount we don't know about the film dwarfs the amount we do know. Just something to consider before either praising or condemning the film to excess.
And have been wildly leaping to conclusions ever since, based upon incomplete evidence.
A couple of passing cracks by a showbiz journalist in Entertainment Weekly about the black shirt --
and
Yeesh.
-- and a fraction of a second's glimpse of Kirk wearing captain's stripes spawned thread after thread about his near-instantaneous rise from Cadet to command.
Thanks again for dusting that one off, by the way -- I don't know how we managed to get by for more than a month without it.
And have been overreacting to a hilariously hyperbolic level since we saw the Enterprise being built on Earth in the teaser.
The edition wars on the Dungeons and Dragons forums have nothing on the Trekkie Rage.
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