SPOILER "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

[scotthm]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

I'm just figuring the uniforms alone would make any XII film-maker run SCREAMING for the movie era.

Which movie era--TMP, or TWoK and beyond?

While the clothing worn by Starfleet officers in TOS don't look much like what we'd call uniforms, I can't say that I've ever been all that fond of any of the TOS movie era uniforms either. However, I have a lot of confidence that the uniforms (at least as seen at the end of the film) will be fine, and have no reason to believe they couldn't be carried over into other sequels.

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[C.E. Evans]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

As far as we know, this movie could end at some point during Kirk's 5-year mission with the crew in TOS uniforms (with the black V-necks).

That's the danger with doing time travel stories...

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

As far as we know, this movie could end at some point during Kirk's 5-year mission with the crew in TOS uniforms (with the black V-necks).

That's the danger with doing time travel stories...

I'm still not convinced... at all... that there's any actual "time travel" in this movie except for the "narrative" kind and the "one day forward per day" sort we're all familiar with.

Has there been a REAL, FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT that there is time travel in this movie, or is it still purely speculative, based upon ASSUMPTIONS based entirely on Nimoy's presence?

I mean, I'm not asking if AICN has said so. I'm asking if ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WOULD KNOW has said so.

So... anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?

 

[Tralah]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

No, I don't think anyone has come out and officially said there is "time travel", but based on some interviews, I think it is a very likely conclusion. Pine said he had at least one scene with Nimoy, and for me at least, time travel is the more likely explanation. Of course we don't have a clue at all HOW the time travel is going to work or what role it plays in the story the exactly, and as you say, maybe it's not time travel at all. I am kind of hoping it is though just because I think I'd be fun to see Quinto and Nimoy together.

 

[number6]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

I'm asking if ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WOULD KNOW has said so.

So... anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?

I dunno. You're the "shareholder."
Why don't you tell us?

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

I'm asking if ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WOULD KNOW has said so.

So... anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?

I dunno. You're the "shareholder."
Why don't you tell us?

I'm almost positive that Orci has confirmed the time travel aspect of the film in one of his interviews.

I'll let someone else more neurotic than I provide a link.

Dennis usally comes through on this kind of thing (and yet, is probably even less neurotic than I).

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

Asked if there is time travel involved in the plot, Orci said "Who knows ? [laughs] Who knows if there is time travel involved. But if there is, it is original."

Link

Best I can do in a hurry; there's a lot more out there. I'm sure that someone who wanted to be argumentative could parse that and all of the many reports of Pine/Kirk and Quinto/Spock sharing screen time with Nimoy in such a way as to "prove" that no time travel has been confirmed...but life's too short for that shit. Nimoy/Spock time-travels in the movie.

 

[gastrof]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

We honestly don't have one fucking clue as to the uniforms, outside of those jumpsuits we've seen from JFX. Cawley phrased his statements in such a way that deriving an answer is impossible (either deliberately or by request of JJ.)

Actually, I've read that Cawley said they were spot on, and there's also Yelchin's comment and the appearance of the actions figures.

But then, you've read all that, and said the above nonetheless, which is....odd.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

Asked if there is time travel involved in the plot, Orci said "Who knows ? [laughs] Who knows if there is time travel involved. But if there is, it is original."

Link

Best I can do in a hurry; there's a lot more out there. I'm sure that someone who wanted to be argumentative could parse that and all of the many reports of Pine/Kirk and Quinto/Spock sharing screen time with Nimoy in such a way as to "prove" that no time travel has been confirmed...but life's too short for that shit. Nimoy/Spock time-travels in the movie.

No need to "parse" or to be "argumentative." It's clear that time travel is a POSSIBILITY in this film, but not by any means "confirmed."

"Confirmed" would be, for example, Quinto saying in an interview "well, during my time travel sequence, I had to wear this really uncomfortable harness" or something like that... or Orci or Abrams saying "there is time travel, but it's not what you're expecting" or so forth.

That's not argumentative... that's just avoiding making assumptions that are not, as of yet, justified.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

No, I don't think anyone has come out and officially said there is "time travel", but based on some interviews, I think it is a very likely conclusion. Pine said he had at least one scene with Nimoy, and for me at least, time travel is the more likely explanation. Of course we don't have a clue at all HOW the time travel is going to work or what role it plays in the story the exactly, and as you say, maybe it's not time travel at all. I am kind of hoping it is though just because I think I'd be fun to see Quinto and Nimoy together.

Well, there's at least one way that I've seen tossed out how there could be a Pine/Nimoy scene without there being any time travel. The version that I was told (not by anyone on the film production, just in another conversation elsewhere) was that it could be something recorded by Kirk in his youth that Spock (Nimoy) is reviewing... a message, or a holodeck scenario, or anything...

Granted, that seems slightly less likely, but it's also in the realm of the possible. It's possible that there's some cross-time communication, but no actual TRAVEL. Pretty much anything is possible, within the limited parameters of what's been made public.

It seems most likely that there will be some form of time travel, I'll grant. But it's far from established, as far as I'm aware. If Orci ever said "yes, there is time travel" or anything like that, just for example... that would put the issue permanently to bed, though.

I'm just sort of agnostic on the issue... I won't make up my mind without sufficient evidence.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

Well, I don't really like to eat mushrooms, but I can't imagine that anyone here gives a fuck.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

That's not argumentative... that's just avoiding making assumptions that are not, as of yet, justified.

Yes it is, and no it's not.

 

[Tralah]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

No, I don't think anyone has come out and officially said there is "time travel", but based on some interviews, I think it is a very likely conclusion. Pine said he had at least one scene with Nimoy, and for me at least, time travel is the more likely explanation. Of course we don't have a clue at all HOW the time travel is going to work or what role it plays in the story the exactly, and as you say, maybe it's not time travel at all. I am kind of hoping it is though just because I think I'd be fun to see Quinto and Nimoy together.

Well, there's at least one way that I've seen tossed out how there could be a Pine/Nimoy scene without there being any time travel. The version that I was told (not by anyone on the film production, just in another conversation elsewhere) was that it could be something recorded by Kirk in his youth that Spock (Nimoy) is reviewing... a message, or a holodeck scenario, or anything...

Granted, that seems slightly less likely, but it's also in the realm of the possible. It's possible that there's some cross-time communication, but no actual TRAVEL. Pretty much anything is possible, within the limited parameters of what's been made public.

It seems most likely that there will be some form of time travel, I'll grant. But it's far from established, as far as I'm aware. If Orci ever said "yes, there is time travel" or anything like that, just for example... that would put the issue permanently to bed, though.

I'm just sort of agnostic on the issue... I won't make up my mind without sufficient evidence.

I am very much in agreement with you. The only reason I'm leaning towards time travel as being the most STRONG possibility is since this will be a science fiction film, older Spock traveling to the past seems like it would pack a lot more punch and create more drama than any scenario I can envision that involves him looking back into his past life with intermittent flashbacks, dream sequences, or holodeck recording.

I completely admit that just because MY imagination is having a hard time coming up with a good non-time travel story that could seamlessly involve Older Spock and the younger recast TOS crew, certainly doesn't mean the creative writers of this movie haven't been able to. In the end I don't think most of us care about what the plot device is as long as it's well done.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

I'm asking if ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WOULD KNOW has said so.

So... anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?

I dunno. You're the "shareholder."
Why don't you tell us?

Even though it's obvious that you're trolling for a fight, I'll answer as though you weren't trying to pick a fight and were being serious.

Owning stock in a company does not mean that you have involvement in day-to-day operations. Only that you get to attend stockholder meetings (I've never been to one in person, but have done the "teleconference" thing every time, as I do with all my decent-size investments), can contact the legal department, get to vote on board members, and can propose new business or ask questions during the "open" portion at the end of the meeting. It also means that the board is expected to pass along major information regarding significant fiscal decisions prior to doing them (typically done via letter).

It does NOT mean that any stockholder is allowed to walk onto the lot and interfere with production or have free access to "restricted" information of any kind in violation of security standards.

In other words, I have no more access to the sets and production materials than you do. (Also, no LESS than you do.) It only means that I have a direct personal FINANCIAL interest in this film being a success.

I asked my question for this reason. I don't have any special access to the sets... no more than you do. I was asking if anyone who DOES have that might have made a statement such as what's being discussed.

It was a fair question and in no way justifies your attempt to "troll" me into a fight.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

That's not argumentative... that's just avoiding making assumptions that are not, as of yet, justified.

Yes it is, and no it's not.

So, you and "Six" have decided to start trying to pick fights again, huh? (sigh)

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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I completely admit that just because MY imagination is having a hard time coming up with a good non-time travel story that could seamlessly involve Older Spock and the younger recast TOS crew, certainly doesn't mean the creative writers of this movie haven't been able to.

Unquestionably; I'm sure they have.

 

[22 Stars]

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I'll put it out there again, I think Talos IV, which allows a person's mind to go anywhere, any time that he/she can imagine or remember is as likely if not more so than straight forward BTTF time travel for this film

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

I'll put it out there again, I think Talos IV, which allows a person's mind to go anywhere, any time that he/she can imagine or remember is as likely if not more so than straight forward BTTF time travel for this film

That's actually an intriguing idea, though not necessarily good for this movie.

Look at the parallels between the Talosians and their "fake reality as a narcotic" problem. Then look at the TNG-era Federation and their holodecks and replicators and so forth.

That would make for a pretty intriguing and fairly deep story, if handled properly. Of course, that (like most everything I can think of, post-TNG, that would make for INTERESTING storytelling) would involve making far-reaching and permanent changes to that universe...

 

[USS Mariner]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

We honestly don't have one fucking clue as to the uniforms, outside of those jumpsuits we've seen from JFX. Cawley phrased his statements in such a way that deriving an answer is impossible (either deliberately or by request of JJ.)

Actually, I've read that Cawley said they were spot on, and there's also Yelchin's comment and the appearance of the actions figures.

But then, you've read all that, and said the above nonetheless, which is....odd.

Go read the interview with Cawley again.

"The uniforms are perfect, spot on perfect. I wouldn’t have done anything any different. When I saw the look of what he was going for, he’s got it."

All that means is that he liked what JJ did with the uniforms, not that they're accurate to anything. They just apparently look fabulous.

Also, we haven't even seen the action figures. All we've got is a bunch of vague description and no photography.

 

[Tralah]

Re: SPOILER- "You see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red"

Well, when he said "I wouldn't have done anything any different" I took that as a sign that the uniforms are going to be very faithful to the TOS design since Crawley is a purest who has meticulously recreated the original Enterprise's bridge along with uniforms for his Phase II fan series. Of course we won't know for sure until we seem some official shots.