Spock's Conscience/Should Spock warn _____ about ______?
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Re: What should Old Spock tell Starfleet?
"And an old Earth NASA probe has basically become a self-aware machine god and is coming back to wipe all carbon life off the planet.
Good luck with all that."
"And an old Earth NASA probe has basically become a self-aware machine god and is coming back to wipe all carbon life off the planet.
Good luck with all that."
Re: What should Old Spock tell Starfleet?
no but they could be well on their way or even have a viable clone by the time of STIV. they would have the dna in stock on a shelf somewhere.
I'm in favor of more changes, so perhaps some warnings to Starfleet are unnecessary. For example: don't make the whales an extinct species. That way, they won't have to go back in time. Problem solved.
I doubt the whales became extinct between the time of STXI and STIV. Seems they'd been gone a lot longer than that.
In other words, they're already gone, so there's no way to "not make them extinct."
It's too late.
no but they could be well on their way or even have a viable clone by the time of STIV. they would have the dna in stock on a shelf somewhere.
Re: What should Old Spock tell Starfleet?
I think that they could do even better than that. They could get a fleet of ships armed with transphasic torpedoes and ablative armor and pound the shit out of those whale SOBs.I'm in favor of more changes, so perhaps some warnings to Starfleet are unnecessary. For example: don't make the whales an extinct species. That way, they won't have to go back in time. Problem solved.
I doubt the whales became extinct between the time of STXI and STIV. Seems they'd been gone a lot longer than that.
In other words, they're already gone, so there's no way to "not make them extinct."
It's too late.
no but they could be well on their way or even have a viable clone by the time of STIV. they would have the dna in stock on a shelf somewhere.
Re: Spock's Conscience
The only logical thing to do would be to give the Federation every bit of technical advance that he remembers. A timeline of major events and incidents. All the hostile races encountered and their weaknesses, etc. All of it. Everything. Why? Because that's the best way to protect his people.
Sure. Things will be different, but he already accepts that. Things will happen differently and there's nothing Spock can do about it. What he can do is give the Fed the best tools for the job.
Other races and conflicts? Great. That's the point of a reboot.
The only logical thing to do would be to give the Federation every bit of technical advance that he remembers. A timeline of major events and incidents. All the hostile races encountered and their weaknesses, etc. All of it. Everything. Why? Because that's the best way to protect his people.
Sure. Things will be different, but he already accepts that. Things will happen differently and there's nothing Spock can do about it. What he can do is give the Fed the best tools for the job.
Other races and conflicts? Great. That's the point of a reboot.
Re: Spock's Conscience
Some things would still likely be happening, like the Planet Killer eating solar systems at a given stardate. All he has to do is say, "this thing will show up here and at this time. Kill it like this." No one has to believe him right away, but when object X shows up as promised and eats some solar systems, you bet everyone's gonna come knocking on Spocko's door.
Some things would still likely be happening, like the Planet Killer eating solar systems at a given stardate. All he has to do is say, "this thing will show up here and at this time. Kill it like this." No one has to believe him right away, but when object X shows up as promised and eats some solar systems, you bet everyone's gonna come knocking on Spocko's door.
New Timeline Romulus
It is possible that due to Old Spock's knowledge, they can foresee the destruction of Romulus in this timeline and prevent it, thus causing Nero never to exact his revenge, and revert to the original timeline. It would be a nice way to end this series of movies. In the final FFWD scene, an old Quinto Spock actually saves Romulus.
It is possible that due to Old Spock's knowledge, they can foresee the destruction of Romulus in this timeline and prevent it, thus causing Nero never to exact his revenge, and revert to the original timeline. It would be a nice way to end this series of movies. In the final FFWD scene, an old Quinto Spock actually saves Romulus.
Re: New Timeline Romulus
I think that's wishful thinking on your part, this movie takes place in the ''nu'' universe. Spock prime came from the ''prime'' universe (wow see how that works!)
Re: New Timeline Romulus
I understand your love for the old universe, but the main universe is here to stay, as far as i know.
I understand your love for the old universe, but the main universe is here to stay, as far as i know.
Re: New Timeline Romulus
Eh, I just wouldn't tell the Romulans about anything. When they start swaggering, you can just laugh at them behind your hand.
And what about Remus?
Hey, maybe Shinzon survived!! 
Eh, I just wouldn't tell the Romulans about anything. When they start swaggering, you can just laugh at them behind your hand.
And what about Remus?
Hey, maybe Shinzon survived!! 
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Old Spock Being In A New Timeline
Spock is in a new timeline, it's already changed so basically there is nothing to "preserve", he should therefore be allowed to do and say whatever he wants. There's nothing illogical about sharing his knowledge in a timeline that's already screwed up.
Should Spock warn the Federation of the Borg? The Dominion? The Whale Probe? V'Ger? should he share future technology with the Federation?
I vote yes.
Spock is in a new timeline, it's already changed so basically there is nothing to "preserve", he should therefore be allowed to do and say whatever he wants. There's nothing illogical about sharing his knowledge in a timeline that's already screwed up.
Should Spock warn the Federation of the Borg? The Dominion? The Whale Probe? V'Ger? should he share future technology with the Federation?
I vote yes.
Re: Old Spock Being In A New Timeline
If nothing else, he should put together a team of surviving vulcan scientists (the vulcans developed the stuff in the first place) to develop the "red matter" needed to ensure that Romulus is not destroyed in this timeline.
Would Spock be bound by the temporal prime directive in this new timeline. He is a federation ambassador after all.
If nothing else, he should put together a team of surviving vulcan scientists (the vulcans developed the stuff in the first place) to develop the "red matter" needed to ensure that Romulus is not destroyed in this timeline.
Would Spock be bound by the temporal prime directive in this new timeline. He is a federation ambassador after all.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Re: Old Spock Being In A New Timeline
Just look at the hundreds of millions (if not Billions) of lives he can save by warning the Federation about the Dominion. They could go get the humpback whales early.
Well seeing as the timeline is already screwed and there is no timeline to preserve any temporal prime directive would be out the window and irrelevant.
Just look at the hundreds of millions (if not Billions) of lives he can save by warning the Federation about the Dominion. They could go get the humpback whales early.
Well seeing as the timeline is already screwed and there is no timeline to preserve any temporal prime directive would be out the window and irrelevant.
Re: Old Spock Being In A New Timeline
He already spilled plenty of beans just mind-melding with Kirk. (I assume there will still be a Hobus super-duper nova.) Nimoy-Spock seems to have little compunction about revealing what he knows.
And the Jellyfish still exists; the Vulcans will reverse engineer that. Vulcans will be up to speed pretty quickly, knowing them.
He already spilled plenty of beans just mind-melding with Kirk. (I assume there will still be a Hobus super-duper nova.) Nimoy-Spock seems to have little compunction about revealing what he knows.
And the Jellyfish still exists; the Vulcans will reverse engineer that. Vulcans will be up to speed pretty quickly, knowing them.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Re: Old Spock Being In A New Timeline
The Jellyfish kamikaze's into the Nerada and blows up creating the blackhole that sucks in the Nerada.
I assure you there is nothing left of it.
The Jellyfish kamikaze's into the Nerada and blows up creating the blackhole that sucks in the Nerada.
I assure you there is nothing left of it.
Re: Old Spock Being In A New Timeline
No it doesn't younger Spock rammed Nero with it and it blew up.
No it doesn't younger Spock rammed Nero with it and it blew up.
Re: Old Spock Being In A New Timeline
Yeah, I just said so. Wishful thinking. Honestly, I stayed up late after seeing the movie the fourth time last night, and I am java-less.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Re: Old Spock Being In A New Timeline
We'll let you off....................................this time.
We'll let you off....................................this time.
Re: Old Spock Being In A New Timeline
I've thought about this. I mean, he's almost duty bound to do so . . .
I think a cool series of stories (although mostly cool to hardcore fans who ALSO enjoyed the movie) would be a special ops team sent out to head off and stop/repair major threats that Old Spock knows about.
As a movie plot, it wouldn't hold up very well . . . but as an animated series or a series of novels, it might be kind of cool.
They'd stop things like the Doomsday machine, they'd have knowledge of DS9's wormhole and the Dominion, V'ger . . . all those things that have been mentioned before, but also smaller things like finding the Botany Bay right away, rescuing marooned people like Zephran Cochran . . . and then there's wars with other cultures that could be addressed, with treaties put in place before the wars begin. I mean, there's a pretty good bargaining chip here: "Hello, Romulans, we have knowledge that a star is going to have a crazy big nova and destroy your whole entire planet in a century and a half or so . . . wany some help getting starte on taking care of that right now?" (Actually, that'd be a pretty good re-unification tactic for Spock.)
The trick would be for the stories to be VERY character driven. You'd need a cool new crew, so you could enjoy how this new crew handles dealing with these new threats differently. And there's some cool philosophical ideas that could be tackled.
Hmmm, I may contact one of my publishers . . . this type of story need not be Trek . . .
This would be the way I'd like to see elements from the Prime Timeline addressed. I would NOT like to see Khan show up in a movie . . .
~ Ben
I've thought about this. I mean, he's almost duty bound to do so . . .
I think a cool series of stories (although mostly cool to hardcore fans who ALSO enjoyed the movie) would be a special ops team sent out to head off and stop/repair major threats that Old Spock knows about.
As a movie plot, it wouldn't hold up very well . . . but as an animated series or a series of novels, it might be kind of cool.
They'd stop things like the Doomsday machine, they'd have knowledge of DS9's wormhole and the Dominion, V'ger . . . all those things that have been mentioned before, but also smaller things like finding the Botany Bay right away, rescuing marooned people like Zephran Cochran . . . and then there's wars with other cultures that could be addressed, with treaties put in place before the wars begin. I mean, there's a pretty good bargaining chip here: "Hello, Romulans, we have knowledge that a star is going to have a crazy big nova and destroy your whole entire planet in a century and a half or so . . . wany some help getting starte on taking care of that right now?" (Actually, that'd be a pretty good re-unification tactic for Spock.)
The trick would be for the stories to be VERY character driven. You'd need a cool new crew, so you could enjoy how this new crew handles dealing with these new threats differently. And there's some cool philosophical ideas that could be tackled.
Hmmm, I may contact one of my publishers . . . this type of story need not be Trek . . .
This would be the way I'd like to see elements from the Prime Timeline addressed. I would NOT like to see Khan show up in a movie . . .
~ Ben