relax cupcake, its a joke.Considering the pounding the Enterprise seemed able to take repeatedly and always came through (with Scotty's ingenuity as well) I hardly think that's likely.Or Starfleets use of substandard materials.
Spock & Uhura romance
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I think TOS beat them to it.Actually, as I noted in my previous post, TNG established that long before ENT.Not any more. ENT canonized the notion that Vulcans are more violently emotional than humans. (And no, you can't just say ENT doesn't count because it mostly sucks.)
Yeah, I got that...cupcake. Do we have to put a smiley face on everything?
TOS established that they used to be extremely violent before they built their culture on logic and suppression of emotions, and that they are still violent during Pon Farr when they can't control themselves. Whether Vulcan emotions are more violent than Human emotions was left to interpretation and wasn't spelled out until TNG.I think TOS beat them to it.Actually, as I noted in my previous post, TNG established that long before ENT.Not any more. ENT canonized the notion that Vulcans are more violently emotional than humans. (And no, you can't just say ENT doesn't count because it mostly sucks.
It wasn't solely the Vulcan's violent nature that threat them (themselves), it was their violent nature combined with modern weapons. Diane Duane wrote in (non-canon) Spock's World that Surak's time already possessed nuclear weapon, that they were being used in warfare and that the Vulcans had recently, from his perspective, tested a antimatter weapon on a near-by world. This was partly what spurred Surak philosophy.
The Romulans may very well kill each other with near abandon, just not large numbers using nukes. But if their violence is combined with a strong cultural sense of duty, that sense of duty may be what the Romulans use for violence control instead of non-emotions. It doesn't matter how Vulcanoid control their natures, as long as it is controlled.
TIS comes right out and says that Spock is connected mentally with the crew of the Intrepid, enough so that he knew that the crew didn't understand what was killing them. Amok Time too, I believe, implies that Spock and T'Pring had some kind of active (low level?) mental connected, enough so that they both go into Pon Farr at the same time.
The ten thousand Vulcans who were off Vulcan when it was destroyed in the late movie, likely felt it.
Spock's Human half might have interfered with his control, but it wasn't his Human half that needed to be controlled.
My post concerning a girl's extra eagerness basically was from personal observations and anecdotal, but if you go to just about any gynecological site the confirmation will be there, or a woman's issues forum. Or (smiles) you could just ask your mother, I asked mine.
On the male side of it, I figure it's either sweat gland pheromones or the scent from 'uhmm' somewhere else. There also a girl to girl side of this, called the McClintock effect, ever notice that most of your girlfriend's girlfriends all have their periods at the same time?
It helps sometimes. The Internets is tricky that way. ( and serious business)
I think AOY spells it out.
Memory-Alpha's encyclopedia isn't canon.
We've seen...a Romulan prison camp. Have we ever heard of a Romulan colony or conquered world?
No, but it's based only on canon sources and it's written through the consensus of numerous Trekkies who I assume know what they're talking about. It's also known that the Romulans took over Remus and turned their citizens into a subclass.
Hey, if you don't agree, that's fine. I admit that we don't know much about the Romulan Empire. However, we don't even know much about the Klingon Empire and yet they were in the series a lot more than the Romulans were.
I agree, the Romulans should be in the series more often. I guess they were more expensive to make?
But they must be a power of more than just those two worlds to be taken so seriously by the Federation and the Klingons.
@maryh
What do you mean by "Sci-Fi" anyway? And why cast "Space Opera" as something seperate from Science Fiction (assuming by Sci-Fi you mean Science Fiction) There was a debate around these parts a while back about "Sci Fi" and many seemed to think it was a subgenre of Science Fiction that included schlocky B movies from the last Century and the low budget originals Syfy shows. To me its just shorthand for Science Fiction in general. Space Opera being a one of many sub-genres of Science Fiction.
What do you mean by "Sci-Fi" anyway? And why cast "Space Opera" as something seperate from Science Fiction (assuming by Sci-Fi you mean Science Fiction) There was a debate around these parts a while back about "Sci Fi" and many seemed to think it was a subgenre of Science Fiction that included schlocky B movies from the last Century and the low budget originals Syfy shows. To me its just shorthand for Science Fiction in general. Space Opera being a one of many sub-genres of Science Fiction.
Well said. I don't understand why people that hate something spend so much time on forums talking about it. I can't help but wonder what poor quality of life people might have if they post so many negative posts devoted to something they don't like.
HEY! Howcome we're not yakking about Spock + Uhura anymore????
OK, back to the OP...
How did the future Spock (Nimoy) react to seeing the romance between his younger self (Quinto) & Uhura? ...he must have been freaked out (in a stoically logical way). Or maybe he just saw them kiss & said to himself "fascinating"??
Did Spock-prime ever actually see the romance between young Spock and Uhura? How would he know about it anyway?
Just because we never saw it, that doesn't mean you can rule it out as never happening off screen, so it's open to pure speculation.
Maybe, but maybe Spock was technically cheating on T'Pring. Or maybe fidelity to your betrothed is not required before you tie the knot. Canon has shown that Vulcans go through Pon Far starting in their late teens, so maybe they are even allowed to choose their short-term mates every 7 years until that one Pon Far that might end in getting married to the one they are betrothed to. And either way, Spock is half-human, so maybe his sex-drive also allows him to have normal human-like "anytime" relations and feel the periodic intense burning of his Vulcan blood.
And the odds are against T-Pring surviving the destruction of Vulcan, so it could mean that Spock is a completely free man now and we don't have to worry about her in the new timeline anyway.
I don't think that Spock was necessarily still Uhura's teacher.
I used the think that Princess Leia was being unprofessional for an Imperial Senator and even racist when she said of Chewie, "Will somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way?" Then I remembered, her adoptive father had just died and her home planet had just blown up! I then forgave her.
Spock's mother had died and his planet had been destroyed. He had already had a violent emotional outburst on the bridge in front of everyone. He may have already decided that to leave Starfleet by then too. How professional would you care about being at that point? Give Spock a break!
Actually, Riker and Troi got back together romantically in Insurrection. They got married in Nemesis.
Well, what ever it was Spock and Uhura were clearly into it.
In my mind, I like to think that there was an attraction, a potential for something that was never was fully realized in the prime timeline through TUC. Then when they were mourning the loss of Kirk after his apparent death in 2293, Uhura and Spock realized their previously missed opportunity and began a relationship, eventually getting married. Uhura died sometime in the 24th century and afterwards Spock got remmarried in the wedding at which Picard was a guest.
So in mind, Spock/Uhura just had an opportunity to happen a lot sooner in the alternate timeline.
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His connection to Vejur in TMP also indicates that Spock can be empathically affected across enormous distances if the source is strong enough. A whole planetful of emotionally uncontrolled Vulcans would presumably do the trick.
T'Girl, mine is not longer alive. I have not looked into any women's fora.
I have read of the McClintock effect., but not in a primary source
I have read of the McClintock effect., but not in a primary source
Kind of hard imagining them being in the series's more than they are. Romulans were major components of the last two films and had good sized parts to play in all the TV series except Voyager.
According to Enterprise, from a certain way of looking at it, it was the Romulans, not the founding members, who created the Federation.
With respect, you may be misusing the term "Hate."
All the episodes and movies have pluses and minuses. in these forums it perfectly valid to wish to discuss negative aspects and express your viewpoint about them. Just as you can go from thread to thread regaling us all with your belief in the latest film unqualified perfection, anyone else can show up in those exact same threads with the viewpoint that that same movie had a certain number of demonstrable faults.
There are a small number of members to this board who's posts I simply don't read, even if they are commenting on one of my previous posting (especially not then), When "you know who" posts anything at all, just skip it.
Unless you somehow enjoy the blood pressure rush.
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It might have been interesting to have seen the Romulans more in TOS, but then again the way it was explained somewhat precluded it. The Klingons were pretty free to roam almost anywhere at will and therefore could be encountered almost anywhere. Meanwhile the Romulans were not supposed to cross the Neutral Zone and to have run into them the Enterprise would have had to have been restricted more to a certain sector of space.
That explains why the Rommies veer bizarrely between isolationism and aggression. Yet they seem sharp, savvy, intelligent people. There's something else going on there, and it would be nice if that something else tied neatly in with their backstory.
Dealing with flaws of Vulcans puts the spotlight on them and away from the humans (if that's what you mean when you say a human saga is a "bad thing.") And what does any of this have to do with Star Wars?
Yeah, TNG really amped up the Superior Human BS to an unbearable degree. But even in TOS, I got the sense that there was something off-kilter and dysfunctional about the Vulcans. The Vulcans don't have to be perfect just to counter the TNG tendency towards putting humans on a pedestal.
I don’t know whether there’s any canon or semi-canon support for this, but I’m under the impression that they leave the rest of the galaxy alone when dealing with internal conflict, and when the praetor consolidates power over the whole empire they set their sights to external targets.
As far as a lot of what's said about this movie goes...no, he's got it dead-on.
