IF..., it is Quinto, then there was no need to do any casting search.
(that's a BIG if.)
News Spock has already been cast
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(that's a BIG if.)
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FTFY
Come now - they kept the identity of the actor who played Voq totally secret until the startling reveal.
Let's face it: *If* Kurtzman feels that TNG and everything dished up thereafter represents having all of the ducks neatly in a row, and that TOS is the 'tangent' that needs to be 'fixed', and he convinces CBS that's the 'recipe for success' for future Treks, they will just....do it.
That would be one method of syncing up canon....by saying our new version of TOS is the 'real' canon.
I'm not saying they will go that route. I'm saying they could, because it's their show and there is nothing to prevent them from doing whatever they choose. If they were to decide (rightly or wrongly) that the majority of viewers would be more accepting of that route, for various reasons, then that is the route they would take.
That would be one method of syncing up canon....by saying our new version of TOS is the 'real' canon.
I'm not saying they will go that route. I'm saying they could, because it's their show and there is nothing to prevent them from doing whatever they choose. If they were to decide (rightly or wrongly) that the majority of viewers would be more accepting of that route, for various reasons, then that is the route they would take.
Who cares? They already whine about that shit.
The role of Spock is special. Zachary Quinto had Leonard Nimoy's personal approval to play the character, and in the World Accordin to Sci (TM), the studio wouldn't give it to anyone else (until Quinto is himself 70 years old and personally approves a successor).
My two cents is all of that was perfunctory because they wanted it to be. The core of the story was supposed to be Very Special Micheal Burnham's personal journey through the Trekverse. The focus on the singular character was supposed to provide the twist needed to make all of the fanwank seem fresh.
The problem is Micheal is a bit of a mess as a character, and SMG, while a decent actor, doesn't seem like she has the presence to carry a show - particularly one with such dodgy writing. At some point I'm going to have to go back and look at the scripts for Season 1 and transcribe all of the times various characters complimented her over the course of the season. It was one of the worst examples of telling rather than showing I have ever seen.
They sure did.
On the flip side, I don't remember anyone figuring out casting of Number One before the official announcement.
They sure did.
On the flip side, I don't remember anyone figuring out casting of Number One before the official announcement.
I can't remember if it was for Pike or Number One, but did someone got at least one. It was more like "Who would you choose?" and someone stated the actor they ended up using.
I believe it was Kane_Steele who first suggested Anson Mount for Pike. I don't think anyone suggested Rebecca Romjin for Number One.
The phrase "since TNG" was meant to be inclusive of that series, so no "fixing" was really needed, but that's really neither here nor there.
^I'd simply say Trek has done it from the very beginning. (But then, we couldn't possibly suggest that TOS ever contradicted or retconned itself, now, could we? OH THE SHOCK AND HORROR!)
-MMoM
-MMoM
^I'd simply say Trek has done it from the very beginning. (But then, we couldn't possibly suggest that TOS ever contradicted or retconned itself, now, could we? OH THE SHOCK AND HORROR!)
-MMoM
Exactly. Now if you'll excuse me I've got to go tell James R. Kirk about that smiling Vulcanian over there so he can inform... Space Command? UESPA? The Star Service? I'm so terrible with remembering names... I hope that isn't one of the two different 'only death penalty left in the Federation' offenses...
MUST...TRY...CAN'T...RESIST...
"James R. Kirk" is probably the single best example of a deliberately contradictory retcon, yes. Also "lithium crystals" and "hand lasers," both changed because of concerns about the implications of using real-world subtances/tech with known properties to do fantastical sci-fi magic and stuff.
"Vulcanian" isn't a contradiction any more than "Terran"/"Earther"/"Earth(wo)man" are with respect to humans, and was likewise used in at least two episodes alongside "Vulcan"—namely "This Side Of Paradise" and "Errand Of Mercy" (TOS).
"Space Command" and "UESPA" aren't contradictions and haven't really been overtly retconned, AFAIK. They both pop up in specific contexts in episodes where "Starfleet" is also used. So they are meant to be distinct in some way, even if we can't discern all the particulars. The latter even goes on to be referenced in VGR and ENT! (And that's even without counting illegible dedication plaques full of in-jokes...in-jokes like the ones I do realize you're making here, I swear! You can even test me with a psycho-tricorder to be sure!
)"General Order Seven/Four" is certainly a blatant contradiction, but it was a simple error, not an intentional retcon. (Just an interesting bit of trivia here, I know this discussion covers both types of situation.) What happened was that the regulation in "The Menagerie" (TOS) was actually scripted as "General Order Four" and was only changed to "General Order Seven" very late, possibly even during shooting. Thus, when they referred back to that script for continuity purposes in writing "Turnabout Intruder" (TOS), they thought they were being consistent. As Herb Solow would put it: "I understand that you science fiction people with your technical jargon have a word to describe this happening. It is known as a 'mistake.'"
OH, THE ANALITY!
...and THE WOMEN!
-MMoM
[P.S.--I'm sorry I wasn't able to stop myself there, but it was just too hard. As hard as cast rodinium...or diamond...or tritanium...or whatever the hardest known substance actually is.]
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That's "notify", my Squire...
I'm sort of hoping they return to the "Vulcanian" thing in DSC one way or another. Either as a common slur (Harry Mudd could do it again for us), as a commentary on how 'em pointy ears are relics of the old Vulcanian Empire and are now dropped down a peg or two to mere Vulcans thanks to T'Pau and the Syrranites disbanding said realm, or as something one of the characters feels compelled to correct for the speaker. Just because. (No, not just because - but because I hope they do the middle one. But that's not a story idea or anything.)
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The DS9 tribbles episode is in two of them.
Which, if we take seriously, makes STD's Enterprise a mess.
So, I'm going with the system that makes more sense.
The bigger concerns are the differing narratives. So having the two continuities similar at occasional moments isn't too problematic.
My explanation is that the species is 'Vulcans' while 'Vulcanian' is a citizen of planet Vulcan. So one could be a Vulcan without being a Vulcanian and vice versa. But of course in casual speech people mix these up."Vulcanian" isn't a contradiction any more than "Terran"/"Earther"/"Earth(wo)man" are with respect to humans, and was likewise used in at least two episodes alongside "Vulcan"—namely "This Side Of Paradise" and "Errand Of Mercy" (TOS).
This is a really interesting point. I always wondered how you would categorise members of a species that reside on the homeworld of another species. So, wouldn't Michael be a Vulcan citizen (a Vulcanian as you said) and biologically a human? In the novels Sisko retires on Bajor, so assuming that he got a Bajoran citizenship, wouldn't that make him a Bajoran? Of course that would lead to the question to what extent citizenship within the Federation is even a thing.
This is what you nail. Burnham isn't Vulcan, but is 'Vulcan'. Sisko, hell isn't Bajoran but is of Bajor how much he comes to fight it.
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