Sex with two fingers? That's all they showed. If that's what sells, then what does sex with three fingers go for? Four fingers? An entire hand?
Spock got HITCHED?!?
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Sex with two fingers? That's all they showed. If that's what sells, then what does sex with three fingers go for? Four fingers? An entire hand?
Well, let's turn that around then. It was never stated that Sarek had any other sons, so therefore, he did not. And since we know Sybok died long before Picard was ever born, then it MUST have been Spock who got married. We know this by both your logic and mine.
Well, you got me there!
I think.
For a human- yes having sex with a mentally challenged child would be horrid-- but in Vulcan culture, that sexual experience appears necessary regardless- or it would appear the damage would be far worse.
And it's not like they "showed" it- we don't know "what" was really needed here. And even though his "katra" was gone, it's not like he was a vegetable whose body was abused, he was "aware"... the two things aren't equivalent.
How very... human.
There are a couple of possibilities for Spock not to be to son who was married.
Joanna Miles, the actress who played Sarek's second wife Perrin, was fifty years old at the time the episode Sarek was made. If the character Perrin was also fifty and had a human son at the time she married Sarek, then the son was got married could have been Sarek's step-son. Or if Perrin was older then fifty, lets say she is seventy, then there would have been time for Perrin and Sarek to marry when she was in her mid-twenties, produce a child (or many) and have that adult son to be married when he was in his mid-forties.
The last time we see Amanda is during TVH, the year of her death in the original (real) timeline is unknown, after Amanda's death it would have been logical for Sarek to remarry.
Joanna Miles, the actress who played Sarek's second wife Perrin, was fifty years old at the time the episode Sarek was made. If the character Perrin was also fifty and had a human son at the time she married Sarek, then the son was got married could have been Sarek's step-son. Or if Perrin was older then fifty, lets say she is seventy, then there would have been time for Perrin and Sarek to marry when she was in her mid-twenties, produce a child (or many) and have that adult son to be married when he was in his mid-forties.
The last time we see Amanda is during TVH, the year of her death in the original (real) timeline is unknown, after Amanda's death it would have been logical for Sarek to remarry.
^ I never said he was a vegetable.
I don't think so. He could understand Saavik - she asked him, in Vulcan, if he trusted her, and he nodded. So he understood language. Also he knew the proper things to do during Vulcan 'foreplay' (the caressing of hands).
Then why did they say his mind was a "blank slate"? And why all the fuss about joining his body with Spock's katra?^ I never said he was a vegetable.
I don't think so. He could understand Saavik - she asked him, in Vulcan, if he trusted her, and he nodded. So he understood language. Also he knew the proper things to do during Vulcan 'foreplay' (the caressing of hands).
And why didn't he do anything but cry and scream, and then look bewildered when they found him, instead of talking or showing signs of rationality?
No, that's not why I found it creepy. So I guess nobody else thinks it was icky that she had sex in order to 'help out' with a Spock who was basically a newborn baby in a teenage body?^ From what I've heard, in the novel Vulcan's Heart he marrieswhich means that I'm not eager to read it, since I've always found their... erm... hookup rather creepy.Saavik
I had never really thought about it being creepy until people pointed out he was her mentor and some people seem to think there was an actual familial relationship.
No, me too. I remember at the time thinking, ew, so she has to give him a Vulcan handsky?
Haha, I like how this thread went from being about who Spock might have married to a detailed analysis of why certain implications in "Star Trek III: The Search For Spock" make it a very misguided film...at least at some points. It's really put into perspective a big reason why that movie just rubbed me the wrong way and why I consider it so inferior to the Star Trek movies right before and after it.
I don't think you can really compare him to a newborn baby. If anything, he was more like an intelligent animal. He acts on instinct, but he still sort of knows what's going on. But he wasn't SPOCK.Then why did they say his mind was a "blank slate"? And why all the fuss about joining his body with Spock's katra?^ I never said he was a vegetable.
I don't think so. He could understand Saavik - she asked him, in Vulcan, if he trusted her, and he nodded. So he understood language. Also he knew the proper things to do during Vulcan 'foreplay' (the caressing of hands).
And why didn't he do anything but cry and scream, and then look bewildered when they found him, instead of talking or showing signs of rationality?
Plus, I don't know why this is an issue. He would have died if she hadn't had sex with him. That's how Vulcans work.
Again: nobody is disputing that. I just find it creepy and icky, for the obvious reasons. I'm not allowed to or what?
Actually, I find the idea of sexually servicing someone just to save his life, no matter if either of you are attracted to each other, rather icky in itself. I'm glad I'm not a Vulcan.
And back to the topic, why would that incident be a basis for a marriage between Spock and Saavik? Did those two ever actually express that kind of interest in each other on screen? If they did, I am unaware of that.
They implied that Saavik had as much of a thing for him as you can with Vulcans. Kirstie Alley throws him the odd glance in TWok and they built on that.
I rather liked Saavik. In some ways I wish they'd employed Robin to play her in STVI since that would have added shock value to her betrayal but Meyer wanted Kirstie and she wouldn't or couldn't do it - which was a shame. At least it leaves Saavik avaialable for fan fiction I suppose.
I rather liked Saavik. In some ways I wish they'd employed Robin to play her in STVI since that would have added shock value to her betrayal but Meyer wanted Kirstie and she wouldn't or couldn't do it - which was a shame. At least it leaves Saavik avaialable for fan fiction I suppose.
That's what I always figured, too. Makes sense and makes me wish they could have worked her into the episode somehow.
Well, that's fine, I suppose. But if you were a Vulcan, you wouldn't find it icky. It's just a function of biology for them. Humans are the ones who attach all this unnecessary emotion to sexual intercourse.Again: nobody is disputing that. I just find it creepy and icky, for the obvious reasons. I'm not allowed to or what?
Actually, I find the idea of sexually servicing someone just to save his life, no matter if either of you are attracted to each other, rather icky in itself. I'm glad I'm not a Vulcan.
Says who? Sarek remarried after Amanda died, to Perrin. We don't know if thay had another son.
Edit: However, I do believe that it was Spock that was married.
We don't know that, do we. I am human, and there are plenty of things that many humans do that I find disgusting.
It wasn't about saving Spock's life, Saavik was just really really horny.
Huh?
The fact that they put Spock and Saavik together in the novels is because they considered the implications of the movies.
Saavik: I have good news and bad news, Admiral. The good news is that Spock regenerated. The bad news is I let him die of the pon farr because I could never take advantage of a former mentor.
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