Spock and NuSpock Meet (Spoiler)

[Triton46]

Was this a mistake? When Spock meets nuSpock, he is asked how he persuaded Kirk to keep his secret. The line is:

Spock: "He inferred that certain universe ending paradoxes would ensue if he broke his promise."

nuSpock: "You lied?"
Spock: "I implied."

Shouldn't the line have been "I inferred that certain..."?

 

[JarodRussell]

English is not my mother language, but "infer" means that Spock said something (he implied) and Kirk made a conclusion (he inferred).


But the real paradox about this is: Bob Orci claims Quantum Mechanics is the most current, scientific, awesome theory, and probably right, and that his Star Trek will use that scientific theory as basis. So why would Kirk, 300 years in our future, not know about it, and fear paradoxes that don't even exist in that theory.

 

[Triton46]

English is not my mother language, but "infer" means that Spock said something (he implied) and Kirk made a conclusion (he inferred).
....

OK, that makes sense.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

omg! thank you for asking this question and thank you to Jarod for answering. This has had me wondering the same exact thing since i last saw the movie. i didnt understand why the line wasn't "I infered" as well!! NOW it makes sense!!!

 

[Temis the Vorta]

But the real paradox about this is: Bob Orci claims Quantum Mechanics is the most current, scientific, awesome theory, and probably right, and that his Star Trek will use that scientific theory as basis. So why would Kirk, 300 years in our future, not know about it, and fear paradoxes that don't even exist in that theory.

It's only a theory and there are others (and by 300 years from now, a different theory could be ascendant). No sense risking the universe exploding on a theory!

Star Trek's use of time travel doesn't use any theory besides whatever makes the best story at the time. Based on what I've seen, I can infer that the rules that govern the universe are in continual flux, and what might blow up the cosmos one day will have no impact the next.

 

[Nerys Myk]

English is not my mother language, but "infer" means that Spock said something (he implied) and Kirk made a conclusion (he inferred).


But the real paradox about this is: Bob Orci claims Quantum Mechanics is the most current, scientific, awesome theory, and probably right, and that his Star Trek will use that scientific theory as basis. So why would Kirk, 300 years in our future, not know about it, and fear paradoxes that don't even exist in that theory.

He was out sick that day.

 

[JarodRussell]

Based on what I've seen, I can infer that the rules that govern the universe are in continual flux, and what might blow up the cosmos one day will have no impact the next.

Yeah, tommorow, gravity might fail to work!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Based on what I've seen, I can infer that the rules that govern the universe are in continual flux, and what might blow up the cosmos one day will have no impact the next.

Yeah, tommorow, gravity might fail to work!

In a Star Trek film, it just might.

 

[thumbtack]

Based on what I've seen, I can infer that the rules that govern the universe are in continual flux, and what might blow up the cosmos one day will have no impact the next.

Yeah, tommorow, gravity might fail to work!

But Janeway will fix all that with a three hour lecture on graviton particles while I change the channel.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Yeah, tommorow, gravity might fail to work!

As Bugs Bunny says, "Whatever did people do before the law was passed?"

 

[davejames]

I'm sure even in Trek's 23rd century there will still be considerable debate about time travel and quantum mechanics. I doubt any one theory will be pinned down for good.

And just because time travel worked a certain way THIS time doesn't mean it will always work that way in this universe. This was a unique, red matter-created black hole, after all.

 

[JarodRussell]

I'm sure even in Trek's 23rd century there will still be considerable debate about time travel and quantum mechanics. I doubt any one theory will be pinned down for good.

But they already had enough time and equipment and opportunities to have TESTED and PROVED it by the 23rd century.

And just because time travel worked a certain way THIS time doesn't mean it will always work that way in this universe. This was a unique, red matter-created black hole, after all.

Question is if physics change from one Quantum universe to the next. I don't believe so. What happens if a Quantum reality exists where Quantum Mechanics don't apply? BOOM!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm sure even in Trek's 23rd century there will still be considerable debate about time travel and quantum mechanics. I doubt any one theory will be pinned down for good.

But they already had enough time and equipment and opportunities to have TESTED and PROVED it by the 23rd century.

And just because time travel worked a certain way THIS time doesn't mean it will always work that way in this universe. This was a unique, red matter-created black hole, after all.

Question is if physics change from one Quantum universe to the next. I don't believe so. What happens if a Quantum reality exists where Quantum Mechanics don't apply? BOOM!

Or perhaps there is a new theory at play in the physics of time travel. Science marches forward. Newton> Einstein>Hawking>Cochrane>?

 

[jamestyler]

But the real paradox about this is: Bob Orci claims Quantum Mechanics is the most current, scientific, awesome theory, and probably right, and that his Star Trek will use that scientific theory as basis. So why would Kirk, 300 years in our future, not know about it, and fear paradoxes that don't even exist in that theory.

Whether the idea of an evolving theory applies or not... there are things that have been theorised, speculated or constructed in our past and most of us don't know (or care about) how they work today.

 

[JarodRussell]

Spock Prime forging the friendship between Spock Alternate and Kirk Alternate kinda takes away from the relationship between those characters, doesn't it? The originals became friends totally naturally, the alternates only because Spock Prime pushed them to do so.

 

[Cyke101]

Spock Prime forging the friendship between Spock Alternate and Kirk Alternate kinda takes away from the relationship between those characters, doesn't it? The originals became friends totally naturally, the alternates only because Spock Prime pushed them to do so.

With the path that nuKirk and nuSpock were taking, it didn't seem like they were going to be friends in the first place without some assistance. And it doesn't take Vulcan logic to realize that when someone pushes someone else out of an airlock, they ain't gonna be friends sometime soon.

Rather, in the Prime Universe, Kirk entered the academy at 18, four years earlier than nuKirk. Kirk Prime had the guidance of his parents and a stable family. His talents were nurtured and one gets the impression that in his youth he was far more mature than his nu-movie counterpart. Maturity + intelligence + stability seems like a good match for any version of Spock. Take away his model of a father, his initial focus, his discipline, and you have nuKirk, a guy who would come to blows with damn near everyone and is nowhere near as diplomatic as Kirk Prime. I

Of course, we haven't seen what the Kirk/Spock dynamic was prior to Kirk serving as captain of the Enterprise in TOS. For all we know, they only became friends after he appointed Spock as first officer and then evolved from there. Kind of like how Picard and Riker had a superior/subordinate relationship of respect that eventually turned into a kind of father/son relationship.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Spock and NuSpock meet?

Thanks for spoiling it.