It's quite clear that Spock is a coward. Just look at how he chickened out in TWOK. He's clearly not willing to lay his life on the line.
Spock-1: Coward?
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So you are saying Spock shouldn't have taken his huge balls of red matter with him? The purpose was to contain and stop the supernova. That's why he was on the mission.
Yeah, and he only needed a tiny amount of it, a little, little drop. He could have stopped THOUSANDS of supernovae with that giant ball of red goo.
Look Spock Prime in the eyes and call him a coward. Go on. I double-dog dare ya.
If there had been a way to prevent Nero from getting the Jellyfish, Spock Prime would've done it. Period. If anyone doesn't know that about Spock by now, then they've never watched Star Trek.
What do you folks calling him a coward need? Ten or fifteen minutes of exposition in the movie explaining how Spock Prime was captured? Geez. Use your imaginations. Why jump directly to "he's a coward?" That is, use your imagination for good, not to claim he's a coward because no scene actually shows him too disoriented to fight, unable to enact a self-destruct routine, or whatever. Geez.
For what it's worth, Spock Prime looked pretty damn shaken when he walked onto the Narada. I mean, his mission to save Romulus failed, he was almost killed himself, now he probably has little or no idea where he is. Bad day.
If there had been a way to prevent Nero from getting the Jellyfish, Spock Prime would've done it. Period. If anyone doesn't know that about Spock by now, then they've never watched Star Trek.
What do you folks calling him a coward need? Ten or fifteen minutes of exposition in the movie explaining how Spock Prime was captured? Geez. Use your imaginations. Why jump directly to "he's a coward?" That is, use your imagination for good, not to claim he's a coward because no scene actually shows him too disoriented to fight, unable to enact a self-destruct routine, or whatever. Geez.
For what it's worth, Spock Prime looked pretty damn shaken when he walked onto the Narada. I mean, his mission to save Romulus failed, he was almost killed himself, now he probably has little or no idea where he is. Bad day.
He's not real, you know? There's no harm done to anyone if one calls a fictional character a coward or idiot.
And I posted the link to the few Nero #4 comic pages, where he isn't disoriented at all, just stupid.
How dare you say Spock isn't real! I saw Spock once when I was ten! Walking down the street! My mom said it was Spock. Probably on a mission back time!
For what it's worth, discussing the merits of the actions of fictional characters is something some people get PhDs for (not jobs, maybe, just the degree). There's no harm done to a real person, but that doesn't mean there can't be literary discussion.
[Just an aside, but the comics were shit, in my opinion. Fanwank.] Either way, good or not, the comics aren't flim or tape, so they're not canon. Spock could've cried like a baby and soiled himself in the comics. So what? Didn't happen.
And again, Spock is not stupid. My guess would be in character, every one of Spock's friends and colleagues would believe that if he could've stopped Nero in any way, he would've. Coward and stupid are strong words. Evidence of those charges should exist. It doesn't. But,the overwhelming circumstantial evidence from past behavior in similar circumstances would be that Spock Prime would've fought if he could've. And, he would've willingly given up his life.
No, no, no. That's where you're wrong. In the 79 episodes of TOS and the original six movies (not to mention TAS, TNG, and the novels) there is abundant evidence that Spock is stupid (he's not considered a genius even by vulcan standards, that's for sure) and that he is a coward that's not willing to put his life on the line for what he believes is right (I mean it's not like he ever nearly died or, you know, completely died for his comrades welfare). If the new Trek movie has taught me anything it's that Spock is a cowardly moron. That must be the secret to the popularity the character has enjoyed for over 40 years.
I stand corrected by you, Ward. But I'd say Spock was more of a show-boater in front of his friends. Grandstanding. A poser. Alone against Nero, his true character came out. I feel so dirty for admiring the phony for all these years.
Maybe the Jellyfish was the only vessel capable of containing the red matter. It's clear that the stuff was rather unstable and needed a special container to make it safe to transport. The Jellyfish was probably that container.
Yeah! He had no idea where he was, when he was, or what Nero's intentions were! Obviously, that's the perfect time to detonate a weapon of mass destruction. I mean, imagine if I put you in a darkened room at some random spot in the world, with a hydrogen bomb and the suggestion that it's possible that Osama bin Hitler is in the next room and might want to blow something up. Obviously, you'd detonate that bomb. Sure, you might be in a broom closet in New York City and your precipitous act would kill millions of people, but when you're carrying something that dangerous, is it really worth the risk it might fall into the wrong hands when you can just blow it up for the hell of it right now?
Or, Orci and Kurtzman didn't consider it, as they didn't consider many, many other facets of their plot. Which is my point.
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