Weren't all post Rand yeomen "replaced" in the next episode?
Spock’s Command Decision In Galileo Seven
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Arguably so. After one was surprisingly killed they stopped beaming down for good on the show.
Yeah, I meant more that I am aware that there was an early version of those scripts that featured Rand specifically. I am aware that she was also in early drafts of Mudds Women, Dagger of the Mind, and Trouble with Tribbles. I have a vague notion that she was going to give evidence in Court Martial instead of the records officer? Even though it's obvious that Rand would have featured in their place had Grace not been fired, I'm not aware that there were early drafts of those scripts in which Rand featured by name.
Emily Banks has said that she was expecting a call back to appear again. That would have cool. I wonder if they decided not to because that might have looked a bit suspicious so soon after letting Grace go.
I remember the first time I saw the episode and joked with my brother (after watching Tarzan for years) that it was pretty obvious who was going to survive. It was really cool when they bucked the trend. I love Rand but it would have made incredibly shocking TV if Rand had still been in the show and had been given a Tasha Yar moment in that episode.
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I don't blame her for expecting that, as her flirtation with McCoy in "Shore Leave" would've been natural for a follow up somewhere along the line. But Emily Banks was far and away my favorite Yeoman from TOS, so another guest appearance from her would've been welcome.
Yeah, it does seem like most repeat appearances, beyond background extras, happened in season one, often with little thought to whether it should be the same character. Angela Martine is engaged, widowed, and dating someone else in the space of a few episodes, although maybe she was in a polyamourous relationship? Roddenberry loved that.I don't blame her for expecting that, as her flirtation with McCoy in "Shore Leave" would've been natural for a follow up somewhere along the line. But Emily Banks was far and away my favorite Yeoman from TOS, so another guest appearance from her would've been welcome.
It also brings up other issues, such as why were those crewmen on Galileo in the first place? Spock, Boma, and Scotty make sense, and presumably one of the yellow shirts was the co-pilot, but why was everyone else there (other than as cannon fodder).
In the Apple, I can understand a security presence but why more security than scientists?
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Well, in the cases of Barbara Baldavin as Angela Martine and Bruce Hyde as Kevin Riley, those were both just reusing the same actor in a different part, subsequently realizing they'd appeared on the show before, and then changing the character name to match their previous role. They weren't cases of anyone at the show saying, "Hey, let's bring back this character!" The woman in "Shore Leave" was originally scripted as "Mary Teller" and the communications officer in "The Conscience of the King" was "Lieutenant Robert Daiken."
Who else were you thinking of who returned as the same character? Edward Madden as Fisher?
- Eddie Paskey is the obvious one, more particularly after Leslie died.
- Kyle appeared at the helm but Shatner called him Cowell.
- Edward Madden could not have been playing the same character as the one looks like an officer, though.
- But then Woman in Caffeteira only really carries any emotional impact if it is Rand but her rank was all screwy.
- There's also that weird moment in the Naked Time where they decided Rand wasn't at the helm in this scene but couldn't be bothered to change the name in the script.
In both of Edward Madden's appearances, he played a guy from the Geology department. But they didn't know yet that it would be "13 years" between those stories, and Fisher doesn't act like an officer, so that connection came to nothing.
When Spock called Eddie Paskey Rand in "The Naked Time," I think Nimoy flubbed the line, and they kept going because of time and money. Shooting in color was expensive, and nobody watching at home was ever going to catch it.
Angela was not widowed (at least from Tomlinson) since she didn't get married in Balance of Terror; her marriage ceremony was interrupted by the red alert. She apparently hooked up with Lt. Teller on Starbase 11 (Court Marital), got married to him, then he might have died making her a widow.
Related links of mine:https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/script-blunders.304609/post-14322873
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The only "others" are Geatano, Mears and McCoy. Geatano is a gold shirt, so perhaps he is there in a navigation capacity. Seeing how the quasar impacts navigation equipment. Mears is there to do yeoman stuff. Make records and serve coffee. McCoy might be handling life science. Or maybe doing one of those crew evaluations Starfleet is so fond of.
Going by the transcript their remit was to investigate and make contact. Since he's slinging a tricorder, I suspect Chekov is there getting points toward his science officer merit badge. One of the redshirts is sporting a bag I don't recall ever seeing before or since. So maybe not a security guy. Perhaps in engineering or some other Ops department. The two guys who beam down with McCoy have more of a security vibe. And like the Sith, "always there are two".
Ok, I really did laugh at the “merit badge” comment.The only "others" are Geatano, Mears and McCoy. Geatano is a gold shirt, so perhaps he is there in a navigation capacity. Seeing how the quasar impacts navigation equipment. Mears is there to do yeoman stuff. Make records and serve coffee. McCoy might be handling life science. Or maybe doing one of those crew evaluations Starfleet is so fond of.
Going by the transcript their remit was to investigate and make contact. Since he's slinging a tricorder, I suspect Chekov is there getting points toward his science officer merit badge. One of the redshirts is sporting a bag I don't recall ever seeing before or since. So maybe not a security guy. Perhaps in engineering or some other Ops department. The two guys who beam down with McCoy have more of a security vibe. And like the Sith, "always there are two".
Galileo Seven related: Shuttlecraft Galileo History. Evidence using original VFX and given Stardates (assuming 1000 Stardates = 1 solar Earth year):
- Galileo lost in The Galileo Seven on Stardate 2823.8. Two Enterprise officers were killed in action.
- Galileo replaced. (Probably ~Stardate 2950 at Starbase 11 when the Enterprise pulled in for repairs after the ion storm in Court Martial).
- Galileo used in Metamorphosis on Stardate 3219.8; Journey to Babel on Stardate 3842.3; and The Immunity Syndrome on Stardate 4307.1.
- Shuttlecraft stolen from Starbase 4 by Lokai two weeks before Let That Be Your Last Battlefield on Stardate 5730.2. Happens to be the Enterprise's own Galileo.
(Enterprise was in the vicinity of Starbase 4 for the last 8 months, so, maybe the Galileo was sent to at Starbase 4 for some reason like to ferry personnel or left here for repairs.) - Galileo is rechristened as Galileo II. (Conveniently, this can occur on the three year anniversary, Stardate 5823.8, to commemorate the loss of the original Galileo and its two officers killed in action.)
- Galileo II is used in The Way To Eden on Stardate 5832.3.
I always thought they belatedly realized that the Galileo had burned up in the first season. Probably a fan letter came in nit-picking about it, and Fred Freiberger decided to paint II on the mockup.
For the art department, this is analogous to just adding "-A" to the miniature after the Enterprise
blew up
The spoiler for the Enterprise explosion seen in the previews of Star Trek III which were all over TV before the movie came out is really considerate of you, Zap.
I recall reports in the press of the Enterprise's destruction even before then.The spoiler for the Enterprise explosion seen in the previews of Star Trek III which were all over TV before the movie came out is really considerate of you, Zap.
And when was the final trailer released in theaters?
"Final voyage of the Starship Enterprise":
Trailers that give away the whole story are the worst. I hate them.
Edit: Also, the narrator on that ST3 spot was unintentionally campy. Just terrible.
Edit: Also, the narrator on that ST3 spot was unintentionally campy. Just terrible.
He sounded like he was making his voice deeper, like a network announcer (think budget Danny Dark or very low budget William Conrad). It also feels like half the trailer is missing. I get not wanting to spoil the movie, but they dropped one of the bigger plot bombs before the film premiered.
Yeah, but as a kid, I first saw the clip as a TV ad, which sent HUGE waves of terror into me. I was squinting to see if the bridge was gone.
But to hell with the trailer, Gene Siskel blew the ending for all of us.
In an attempt to drag us back to the topic, Spock's decisions may or may not have been suspect, but Latimer's death scream was one of the best in the series. This is one of those episodes I remember as a kid because it was actually kind of scary. Yeah, I noticed the furry stuntmen didn't convince and try as he might, Nimoy couldn't 100% sell the rock pinning him at the end, but it was a tense episode with a lot of conflict and great use of music.
Only real downside is the Gene Coon laugh riot ending. Did we need to see everyone laughing sooooo hard that even Scotty needed to brace himself? Latimer and Gaetano ain't laughing....
Does any other scream truly compare to Sulu's ''cure-all'' NAKED TIME moment? Even if I never saw any justification for it.
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