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Spidey OUT of MCU

Serveaux said:
And Spidey's just got the best villains
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His much vaunted rogues gallery ?

Kraven, The Lizard, Mysterio, Rhino, Electro, Vulture, Sandman, Goblin/Hobgoblin...

I don't like any of 'em. I like Spidey, I'm still reading him every month, but his classic villains do nothing for me.

Edit - Spider Gwen, Scarlet Spider, Silk etc. - all great characters in their own right. It's just the villains I don't care for...
 
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Serveaux said:
Kind of liking the split better the more I think about it.
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I do not mind it at all. The best of Spider-Man's comic history was his acting as a loner (a major part of his identify) not end up as a glorified sidekick in the middle of 5,000 other characters and/or begging for the attention of a surrogate father figure.
 
Noname Given said:
Um, back in the day, MARVEL in general had it's top sales (and critical acclaim such as it was) for what it was doing in the 60ies (IE the 'Silver Age') of 4 color comics.
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You just echoed my point about the FF in that period.

The fact is - the FF through the 1980ies was one on Marvels top selling book
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Skipping over the Marvel on the verge of bankruptcy business. They were, and their titles were taking in the ;late 70s. Again--Shooter credits acquiring Star Wars for saving Marvel from that, so their titles--FF included--were suffering. The glory days of the "Marvel Boom" of the 60s were long gone.

Again, quit trying to make it out like the ONLY ti,e the FF were relevant to MARVEL was in the 1960ies <--- That's a real load of crap you're shoveling here, and IMO - you're full of it on this particular subject.
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You do not know what you're talking about. That much is clear. No comic historian worth his credit would ever downplay the 1960s FF as you do, and certainly not in favor of--or attempting to make a false equivalency with the 80s FF. You are spewing historically inaccurate nonsense.
 
Relayer1 said:
His much vaunted rogues gallery ?

Kraven, The Lizard, Mysterio, Rhino, Electro, Vulture, Sandman, Goblin/Hobgoblin...
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Yep, for starts.

I mean, I'd have put Doc Ock up there in the first tier. And Sony seems to have Kingpin, too. :)

The villains have been one of the most lackluster aspects of the MCU. You've got Loki, yeah, and Killmonger was, surprisingly, one of the best if not the best. But, seriously, Fu Manchu Mandarin? Thanos?*

He was a bore even when he was Darkseid.
 
Serveaux said:
Yep, for starts.

I mean, I'd have put Doc Ock up there in the first tier. And Sony seems to have Kingpin, too. :)

The villains have been one of the most lackluster aspects of the MCU. You've got Loki, yeah, and Killmonger was, surprisingly, one of the best if not the best. But, seriously, Fu Manchu Mandarin? Thanos?*

He was a bore even when he was Darkseid.
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Kingpin is Marvel, not Sony.
 
Nerys Myk said:
The FF, Spidey and the X-Men have the best rogues and they were off limits for most of the MCU's existence.
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Now, I think the MCU is perfect for the FF. Maybe not having Parker to step into Stark's shoes will encourage them to move Richards and his crew front and center. That would be a real nice knock-on effect.

Particularly because Von Doom seems right in their wheelhouse as a Big Bad for their whole franchise. Except, you know, a good one.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
You just echoed my point about the FF in that period.



Skipping over the Marvel on the verge of bankruptcy business. They were, and their titles were taking in the ;late 70s. Again--Shooter credits acquiring Star Wars for saving Marvel from that, so their titles--FF included--were suffering. The glory days of the "Marvel Boom" of the 60s were long gone.



You do not know what you're talking about. That much is clear. No comic historian worth his credit would ever downplay the 1960s FF as you do, and certainly not in favor of--or attempting to make a false equivalency with the 80s FF. You are spewing historically inaccurate nonsense.
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Get over yourself - I wasn't downplaying the FF in any manner in the 1960ies - you seem to selectively read what I post in that respect because I disagree that the FF were ONLY the product of the Cold War era (again they weren't, they CHANGEDC with the times). Sorry that I have A different opinion of the FF's relevance to MARVEL up through the 1980ies; and believe they maintained their relevence past the 1960ies.
 
flavaflav said:
Kingpin is Marvel, not Sony.
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Might actually be a Quicksilver situation where both have a legitimate claim to the character. Kingpin started as a Spider-Man villain, appeared in a lot of Spider-Man comics over the decades, and was arguably the main villain of the 90s Spider-Man animated series.
 
Serveaux said:
Is he originally Parker's?
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Yup. He was introduced in Amazing Spider-Man. He was then used in Daredevil in the 80s, became his #1 bad guy and was more associated with that book. Hence, he is Marvel's property for TV and film.
 
Kai "the spy" said:
Might actually be a Quicksilver situation where both have a legitimate claim to the character. Kingpin started as a Spider-Man villain, appeared in a lot of Spider-Man comics over the decades, and was arguably the main villain of the 90s Spider-Man animated series.
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Very true. I think rights are based on comic book usage though. Fisk hasn't been a major Spiderverse player in the books since the 70s I think.
 
flavaflav said:
Yup. He was introduced in Amazing Spider-Man. He was then used in Daredevil in the 80s, became his #1 bad guy and was more associated with that book. Hence, he is Marvel's property for TV and film.
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I feel a little less bad for misplacing him, then. My first familiarity with all these characters is back when they were first being made up and published every month, in the 60s.
 
Foxhot said:
They might consider emulating the Spidey-films here and not be too quick go Doomy again. Counting the Corman version, three of the four FF films went that way. (While he Spideys used many key antagonists.) Why not go for Namor this time? Even if Zachary Quinto and Cumberbatch aren't keen on the part?
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Well, they didn't introduce Thanos at all until the first Avengers movie, and he doesn't get a lot of time until - when, almost a decade into their productions?
 
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