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Spidey OUT of MCU

DigificWriter said:
This isn't brinksmanship.

No new deal is forthcoming, nor is there likely to be one.

You keep making the mistake of thinking that Sony needs Marvel Studios in order to keep making smart and profitable business decisions as it concerns the future of the Spider-Man IP and that it's therefore in their best interests to renew that partnership regardless of how long it takes to do so, which just isn't the case.
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I think it is to be honest and I've not claimed Sony need Disney to make smart decisions.

Giving the SM franchise far more options post Venom and having all that external investment (not to mention the shared risk) is a smart move and one I suspect they'll seek out. The only question is how the power dynamic plays out at the time and a lot of that will rest on how profitable the next few respective films are. Sony won't just want to make a profit on Venom, that's a given, they'll want to make a comparable or greater profit than would reasonably be expected from an MCU collaboration, giving them the upper hand in negotiations.

And to reiterate @The Nth Doctor 's point, as a fan I'm not "clamouring" to see a SM/Venom cross. It's been done AFAIC and I'd rather see some new ideas in play.
 
I do quite like the idea of Spider-Man getting to fight Kraven (though it would be very weird for his origin to have occurred in his own film first) and, weird as it still sounds, Morbius (where the origin occurring on its own first seems more OK).

Morbius sounds better both having his own film first and plausibly being a neither-villain-nor-hero in that and then being the antagonist (not supervillain but antagonist) in a Spider-Man film.
 
I don’t know why we’re all trying to armchair quarterback thing. They re-sign. Or they don’t. Absolutely none of us (despite what any of us thinks) knows more than what we read in the trades. And even THEY aren’t privy to all the details. There is still a lot of mixed messaging and a lot of sites out there claiming inside information that may or may not be true. But I’m doubtful that any contract negotiations would have anything to do with Pete befriending Johnny Storm. That’s just ludicrous.

If it happens? Awesome! More MCU Spider-man!
If not? Well, I could do without the Spidey/Venom crossover. Who cares?
 
I loved Venom so I would enjoy seeing them in a movie together. As long as it is Tom Hardy and Holland in the roles. Bring back Michael Keaton William Dafoe and J.K Simmons to play this worlds version of Green Goblin and Jameson. Jason
 
I'd really like an appearance of the Jackal and Ben Reilly somewhere down the line, because i'm one of the few who really enjoyed the Clone Saga back in the 90s ;)
 
I dunno about Spider-Ham, but Spider-Gwen and maybe even Toby Maguire Spidey would not go amiss. ;)

And Spidey's just got the best villains, which is part of why Spider-Man is by far the best and most popular Marvel character ever. With the f-ing MCU, they've almost got to waste time accounting for however it would be that Oscorp is supposed to tie-in to the next Big Bad Marvel MacGuffin coming down the road.

Kind of liking the split better the more I think about it.
 
Spider-man should become a reality series instead. We can win things by watching, etc.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
^ What a load of not knowing what you're talking about. The FF comic was at its strongest--their height in the 60s, but in a fate similar to many of Marvel's titles in the 70s--suffered from a massive sales drop, with the company on its way to bankruptcy in the late 70s if not for--according to Shooter--Roy Thomas's acquisition of Star Wars for adaptation. No one even remotely aware of the history of that title would argue that the 60s was the most defining era for the title. Unlike any other comic, it was best suited to exist in that period and its all the reason anyone needs for why every live action adaptation--all set in their contemporary periods oozed on a uniquely Cold War premise--failed miserably. You might as well stick George Washington in a modern day political series and expect him to have the effect he's best known for.

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Um, back in the day, MARVEL in general had it's top sales (and critical acclaim such as it was) for what it was doing in the 60ies (IE the 'Silver Age') of 4 color comics. So yeah, give me a break. The fact is - the FF through the 1980ies was one on Marvels top selling books (with stories that readers enjoyed); and even maintained when "X-Men mania hit in 1981. Again, quit trying to make it out like the ONLY ti,e the FF were relevant to MARVEL was in the 1960ies <--- That's a real load of crap you're shoveling here, and IMO - you're full of it on this particular subject. (As for the 1970ies, yes BOTH DC and MARVEL saw a slump, DC's was worse.)
 
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