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Like what? I ask because my main issue has been the DCEU takes itself WAY TOO seriously at times. That's about it - but (for example) it made BvS almost a chore to watch in parts for me.
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Like what? I ask because my main issue has been the DCEU takes itself WAY TOO seriously at times. That's about it - but (for example) it made BvS almost a chore to watch in parts for me.
But the point of the scene was that Spider-Man didn't really know what he was doing. First he almost gets himself killed and then he almost kills a great number of people. Tony's role was very much a parental one here--he gives Peter a stern warning the first time and then has to lower the boom the second time.
"Suicide Squad" was way too serious? Really? Even the first half of "Wonder Woman" was rather funny.
I don't care if a comic book movie is very serious or very funny. For me, the amount of humor depends upon the story. I don't believe that all comic book movies have to be made in one style. But apparently a lot of critics and moviegoers do these days.
It seemed almost as if the suit hack was an Excalibur test left for Peter, only Ned cracked it while all Peter was doing was using his physical gifts while in the training wheels mode.
If the DCEU movies showed what happened in that scene... people would not react any differently than they have here.
People got upset about Man of Steel because it was the original, unbeatable superhero at the heart of that destruction and because the film was made in such a way as to constantly throw the destruction in the audience's face, yet also never actually address it in any way. This was a high school kid having a massive screw-up and the film instantly calls him out on it and punishes him for being so reckless. If Cavill's inexperienced Superman had been shown clearly understanding the consequences of that fight and, maybe, trying to learn how to prevent it from happening again, no one would've batted an eye.
Also, MoS is pretty much the only DCEU movie that even applies to this complaint. BvS and SS largely take place in abandoned settings and Wonder Woman was pretty much the picture of professionalism. So I don't see how it's some 'DCEU thing' that gets unjustly attacked.
So I saw the movie this afternoon and now that I've had a few hours to digest, I thought I'd mention my thoughts.
It was a hilarious movie. Tom Holland and Michael Keaton sold me 100%, with the result that not only am I completely back on board with Spider-man as a character (who I haven't really been very interested in for years) but I am actively hoping for more Vulture, too. There are other villains I've liked and even loved in the MCU, but this is the first one I'd be actively disappointed to never see again. Part of me actually wonders (hopes) if they're not at least toying with the idea of him being the next Loki if Asgard stops being relevant in phase 4. Or if Sony wants him to headline something involving the Sinister Six.
This was one of the best solo movies in the MCU, right up there with the CA movies. It has a great story and great action. I love the design of all the villains and their weapons. It's easily the best Spider-Man movie, in my opinion, because it's the only one that hasn't tried to force him to instantly graduate to his best self and his most epic villains. He's learning as he goes and bettering himself, which is exactly what Spider-man should be about, to me. Tom Holland is by far the best Spider-man compared to Tobey Maguire (who was terrible) and Andrew Garfield (who was ok, but also way too old to be a teenager and had a few rough spots). And most of all, it's the only Spider-man movie that's actually dared to do something unique. With a great supporting cast, it really does feel like a high school movie about a superhero (possibly the best high school movie since the 80s)- which is not only a rare thing, unprecedented among modern superhero movies, it's also incredibly engaging and humanizing. It doesn't follow the boring Sony formula and consequently it actually feels like a new, interesting, surprising story. He's not stuck on great power and great responsibility anymore: finally, he can now learn more than one lesson and actually feel like a well-rounded person. Yet it does also display a great connection to and respect for the character's traditions - from the cartoon theme song to the web wings and the unique webshots to the great twist that Toomes is his Girlfriends dad. That last bit is actually by far the most effective example of Spider-man's personal connections to his villains we've ever seen in a movie precisely because they manged to convince me that it wasn't going to happen, which made that entire scene so incredibly tense and menacing.
I also love the low-key, but perfectly integrated way it fit into the MCU. It had so many cameos - more than I thought it would - but nearly the perfect amount. Chris Evans' psa videos were fantastic - especially the last one. Even Gwyneth Paltrow's return was a great little moment for Iron Man (who doesn't get his own movies anymore) while still telling you something really important about Spider-man (that he actually was being offered an Avengers spot).
I do think it's ironic that in one of Marvel Studios' best movie, they're now suddenly being attacked for not being comic accurate enough. I see people (not necessarily on this site) complaining about the Vulture's costume (even thought it was fantastic), complaining about a girl named Michelle Jones calling herself MJ, complaining about Aunt May finding out Peter's secret, complaining about Spider-man having too much technology... Seriously, if those are the worst things people could say about this, then great job Marvel!
I'm not saying it's a perfect movie. I agree Stark and Happy were a little too hands off considering they were supposed to be taking responsibility for Peter on themselves. I agree it was weird that there was no form of extra security on the Avengers plane (at least someone keeping a visual eye on it at all times, or, maybe, a quinjet escort or something). And while I love that Peter's final act in the suit in this movie isn't beating the bad guy but saving the bad guy, instead, I do feel a little weird that the final battle mostly consisted of Peter getting his butt kicked and was actually basically a loss until the Vulture tech gave out. But man the Vulture did look awesome and I loved the way he moved and attacked using those foot-claws.
Unquestionably an A+ movie and yet another hit in an incredible year for superheros. Honestly, going into 2017 I wasn't really excited about anything that was coming, but so far I've had 3 fantastic movie experiences, 1 really good one and no disappointments at all. And the trailers for Thor Ragnarok are already looking awesome, as well. That just makes me so happy.
It was a hilarious movie. Tom Holland and Michael Keaton sold me 100%, with the result that not only am I completely back on board with Spider-man as a character (who I haven't really been very interested in for years) but I am actively hoping for more Vulture, too. There are other villains I've liked and even loved in the MCU, but this is the first one I'd be actively disappointed to never see again. Part of me actually wonders (hopes) if they're not at least toying with the idea of him being the next Loki if Asgard stops being relevant in phase 4. Or if Sony wants him to headline something involving the Sinister Six.
This was one of the best solo movies in the MCU, right up there with the CA movies. It has a great story and great action. I love the design of all the villains and their weapons. It's easily the best Spider-Man movie, in my opinion, because it's the only one that hasn't tried to force him to instantly graduate to his best self and his most epic villains. He's learning as he goes and bettering himself, which is exactly what Spider-man should be about, to me. Tom Holland is by far the best Spider-man compared to Tobey Maguire (who was terrible) and Andrew Garfield (who was ok, but also way too old to be a teenager and had a few rough spots). And most of all, it's the only Spider-man movie that's actually dared to do something unique. With a great supporting cast, it really does feel like a high school movie about a superhero (possibly the best high school movie since the 80s)- which is not only a rare thing, unprecedented among modern superhero movies, it's also incredibly engaging and humanizing. It doesn't follow the boring Sony formula and consequently it actually feels like a new, interesting, surprising story. He's not stuck on great power and great responsibility anymore: finally, he can now learn more than one lesson and actually feel like a well-rounded person. Yet it does also display a great connection to and respect for the character's traditions - from the cartoon theme song to the web wings and the unique webshots to the great twist that Toomes is his Girlfriends dad. That last bit is actually by far the most effective example of Spider-man's personal connections to his villains we've ever seen in a movie precisely because they manged to convince me that it wasn't going to happen, which made that entire scene so incredibly tense and menacing.
I also love the low-key, but perfectly integrated way it fit into the MCU. It had so many cameos - more than I thought it would - but nearly the perfect amount. Chris Evans' psa videos were fantastic - especially the last one. Even Gwyneth Paltrow's return was a great little moment for Iron Man (who doesn't get his own movies anymore) while still telling you something really important about Spider-man (that he actually was being offered an Avengers spot).
I do think it's ironic that in one of Marvel Studios' best movie, they're now suddenly being attacked for not being comic accurate enough. I see people (not necessarily on this site) complaining about the Vulture's costume (even thought it was fantastic), complaining about a girl named Michelle Jones calling herself MJ, complaining about Aunt May finding out Peter's secret, complaining about Spider-man having too much technology... Seriously, if those are the worst things people could say about this, then great job Marvel!
I'm not saying it's a perfect movie. I agree Stark and Happy were a little too hands off considering they were supposed to be taking responsibility for Peter on themselves. I agree it was weird that there was no form of extra security on the Avengers plane (at least someone keeping a visual eye on it at all times, or, maybe, a quinjet escort or something). And while I love that Peter's final act in the suit in this movie isn't beating the bad guy but saving the bad guy, instead, I do feel a little weird that the final battle mostly consisted of Peter getting his butt kicked and was actually basically a loss until the Vulture tech gave out. But man the Vulture did look awesome and I loved the way he moved and attacked using those foot-claws.
Unquestionably an A+ movie and yet another hit in an incredible year for superheros. Honestly, going into 2017 I wasn't really excited about anything that was coming, but so far I've had 3 fantastic movie experiences, 1 really good one and no disappointments at all. And the trailers for Thor Ragnarok are already looking awesome, as well. That just makes me so happy.
This movie was okay...
Tom is charming, Keaton was good, and the humor was well done.
But it kind of failed in other places. No origin, no Uncle Ben, no Daily Bugle, no photographer job. Not even a mention of Ben, he might as well not exist. This is some kid who just happens to have Spidey's suit and powers.
The female characters were badly done. Either they were reduced to poorly developed love interest (Liz), only there for other characters to make jokes about how hot she was (May), on just there to be an annoying quippy hipster joke dispenser that ended up trolling the audience were her last line (Michelle).
Also Spidey's main plot was kind of terrible. Trying to impress Tony and his goal of becoming an Avengers was lame. He should be his own hero not someone looking for approval.
I hated the tech suit. At least the previous Spider-Men made their own suits instead of depending on a JARVIS wannbe computer voice.
Being part of the MCU is this movie's greatest strength both also its greatest weakness. The references were nice, but the forced crossovers end up hurting a movie's ability to stand alone. After the 4th Tony Stark appearance, I was wishing the writers were focusing on Peter's high school cast instead.
Tom is charming, Keaton was good, and the humor was well done.
But it kind of failed in other places. No origin, no Uncle Ben, no Daily Bugle, no photographer job. Not even a mention of Ben, he might as well not exist. This is some kid who just happens to have Spidey's suit and powers.
The female characters were badly done. Either they were reduced to poorly developed love interest (Liz), only there for other characters to make jokes about how hot she was (May), on just there to be an annoying quippy hipster joke dispenser that ended up trolling the audience were her last line (Michelle).
Also Spidey's main plot was kind of terrible. Trying to impress Tony and his goal of becoming an Avengers was lame. He should be his own hero not someone looking for approval.
I hated the tech suit. At least the previous Spider-Men made their own suits instead of depending on a JARVIS wannbe computer voice.
Being part of the MCU is this movie's greatest strength both also its greatest weakness. The references were nice, but the forced crossovers end up hurting a movie's ability to stand alone. After the 4th Tony Stark appearance, I was wishing the writers were focusing on Peter's high school cast instead.
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In the two years since this movie was announced to be made they've told us there wouldn't be an origin story and there wouldn't be the Uncle Ben thing (for the third time.) I don't get why this is a surprise to people?
And as for the Daily Bugle- he's barely turned 15 in this movie. He's a freshman in High School. They're planning like 3 more movies. Give it time. Do you wanna throw the kitchen sink in there too?
What I meant by "No origin, no Uncle Ben, no Daily Bugle, no photographer job" was that I wanted references at least, not the movie to focus entirely on those things, like how Peter casually mentioned to Ned how he was bitten by a spider which gave him his powers.
No need for a 30 minute origin story, but there could be a flashback of Peter talking to Ben.
No working at the Daily Bugle, but maybe Peter can be reading their newspapers
He can enjoy taking pictures with a camera
Maybe you never want to see his origin again, but Peter's origin is a big deal because without it he could have turned into a selfish A Hole that only uses his powers for money.
There were none of those thing, instead we have constant Tony scenes which felt like ads for Avengers Infinity War. That is becoming a problem in general with MCU films.
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There's nothing to rule out getting those things in later movies. After two different series that focused on those things, I'm not to bothered by them not being in this movie.
Turns out there was a rather surprising non-Marvel cameo/easter egg in the movie.
Turns out there was a rather surprising non-Marvel cameo/easter egg in the movie.
Ha! I literally just posted that in the "franchises that could exist with each other" thread.
Regarding Aunt May/Uncle Ben: Peter mentioned "all that she has been through." and how over-protective she is. Combine that with his "when the bad things happen" moment in Civil war and it sounds to me like some variation on Ben getting killed (while Peter is being selfish/having fun with his powers) is still in place.
I quite enjoyed the film, and was very pleased with how they didn't dwell on the origin--movie audiences have been there, done that twice in the last 15 years--and other elements that got covered in both of the previous Spidey movie series. They did a good job of making it feel like Spider-Man without making it feel like we've seen it already twice before.
The Cap PSA's were a hoot...especially the last one. I started 4th grade in a new school in 1979, and remember the teacher commenting on how they'd finally gotten new history textbooks, and that the one they'd been using the year before being so old that it included a reference to how someday man would land on the Moon.
The Vulture being Liz's dad I was mixed on...on the one hand, I didn't see it coming; on the other, my first thought was, "Did they have to go there again?"; but back on the first hand, the building tension between them in the car was great.
I do think it was a bit boneheaded to have the movie take place 8 years after Avengers, which was only 5 years ago our time. Usually comic book world time works the other way. But my chronological nit is..."Space Age Love Song" by A Flock of Seagulls, being played at a high school homecoming in 2017? Is '80s retro a really big thing with the kids right now? If so, I'd have thought that would have been last decade.
The Cap PSA's were a hoot...especially the last one. I started 4th grade in a new school in 1979, and remember the teacher commenting on how they'd finally gotten new history textbooks, and that the one they'd been using the year before being so old that it included a reference to how someday man would land on the Moon.
The Vulture being Liz's dad I was mixed on...on the one hand, I didn't see it coming; on the other, my first thought was, "Did they have to go there again?"; but back on the first hand, the building tension between them in the car was great.
I do think it was a bit boneheaded to have the movie take place 8 years after Avengers, which was only 5 years ago our time. Usually comic book world time works the other way. But my chronological nit is..."Space Age Love Song" by A Flock of Seagulls, being played at a high school homecoming in 2017? Is '80s retro a really big thing with the kids right now? If so, I'd have thought that would have been last decade.
With respect to the origin, a reference is exactly what we got. It was covered with a few lines of a very nonchalant conversation between Peter and Ned. At the time I thought, good, that's all the attention the origin deserves at this point.
They're not doing any more ASM movie, they made the Marvel deal and started MCU series instead.
I honestly have no idea what your point was with this post.
That doesn't mean that the schools had to use the PSAs using Steve, while he was a wanted man.
This whole thing smacks of contrived writing that reminded me of that story arc featuring Steve's failure to tell Tony about HDYRA's murder of the latter's parents in "Civil War".
They exist as comedy. They're cheesy and outdated and the teachers don't care. The gym teacher's line suggests that Cap's current status is somewhat in the air, but clearly public opinion hasn't turned on him. That is the entire point. It was a clever way to further illustrate that this is a world where superheroes are just a fact of life (down to its daily monotony) the way that the threat of nukes dropping from the sky was during the Cold War or "Terrorism" is today.
"Oh nose! Stupid Marvel kiddie movies, always making jokes! Why can't they take things seriously?"