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Spoilers Spider-Man: Homecoming-- Grading and Discussion

How do you grade "Spider-Man: Homecoming"?


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Kevin Feige says that Peter has the Spider-Sense and he certainly seemed to have it at at least one point in Civil War. The way Peter mentioned that all of his senses are "dialed up to 11" to Tony makes me wonder if his extra-senses are similar to the way Daredevil's are described on Netflix, but since he is not blind, it's a more subliminal awareness.
 
How much time is there between Winter Soldier and Civil War? I can't see being like 6 years they've been looking for Bucky, or that there was that long between Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron, like when Cap & Falcon speak at the party.
"So, found Bucky yet?"
"Nah not yet. It's only been 5 years."

They were searching for Bucky for two years. This is stated in the dialogue more than once. Which means that Age of Ultron had to have happened in that two year span.
 
I haven't seen the movie yet, but Sony and Marvel have dropped the ball yet again on marketing tie-ins for this movie! Where's the 1970's Spider-Man show on DVD or Blu-Ray? Or even DVD releases of the different Spidey cartoons?
 
@tomswift2002 -- I imagine that there are actually rights issues involved with the various producers and distributors. The '77 show was long before Marvel made its own content. Just look at how long it took to get a home release of Batman 66 due to conflicting rights, and that was an amazingly popular show.

For the record, I would totally rock Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends on Blu-ray.
 
And, yeah, now that I've seen the movie and the whole "eight years" thing in context, it is a little bit weird and doesn't really work at all. All of the issues stem from Captain America: Civil War. Vision said that it's been eight years since Stark first announced himself as Iron Man, but earlier in the movie General Ross states that the Avengers have been around for four years. Now, if Homecoming takes place just a few months after Civil War, how can it be eight years since the Battle of New York...?
Honestly, Vision's line always struck me as an error because it seemed to think the events of the movies happened in the year they were released when they did not. Iron Man 2, Thor, and Incredible Hulk all happened around the same time. So there's a question of when the long gap did occur. I had assumed a gap between Iron Man and Iron Man 2 and then another gap after Cap got unfrozen, but this suggests Phase One happened within a year or so and the gap occurred after. It's not terrible either way. I'd have to figure out if it affects Agents of SHIELD, but it probably makes the Netflix stuff work easier since those timelines are a little more wonky.

Anyway, I gave this an A-, which puts it with Iron Man 3 and GOTG 2, but below Iron Man and Ant-Man. I enjoyed it a lot. I think I'm just a little close to the source material so some of the changes gnawed at me a little bit. But it was a very fun movie from beginning to end. I thought the school scenes worked well. I thought Vulture worked extremely well. There was quite a lot to like about this movie.
 
Thoughts:

5. Minor gripe: no spidey sense. Did they forget he had it? Cuz it sure wasn't working.

6. MAJOR GRIPE: Uncle Ben. There should NEVER be a Spider-man movie featuring a new Spidey that doesn't mention Uncle Ben. Ever.

As to .5 - actually, I'm certain it was because he WAS avoiding major swipes and attacks. Thing is, film is a fluid/moving medium, so unlike comic panels - to have some sort of 'freeze frame' or have the character knowledge it 'working' in a sound bite 'thought' would break the action. Also, in the early Spiderman stories all it was was an insect's 'sense' to quickly get out of the way of an attack. Years later the writers started to use it for other things like "Oh, there's someone here who could compromise my real identity" and even "He must be thinking violent thoughts towards me..." <--- but if they never do/drop the latter, I wouldn't be disappointed. (YMMV)

As to .6 - they've never dealt directly with his MCU origin; but IF it were somehow similar, Uncle Ben would have been killed prior to Tony Stark recruiting him in CA:CW; not to mention such an incident would DEFINITELY be past in a story after that takes place two months after that. I actually liked that they didn't bother with his origin subplot in either of the MCU films - Sony already did it twice in their first iteration and reboot. Again YMMV.
 
I haven't seen the movie yet, but Sony and Marvel have dropped the ball yet again on marketing tie-ins for this movie! Where's the 1970's Spider-Man show on DVD or Blu-Ray? Or even DVD releases of the different Spidey cartoons?

Well, Wal-Mart is selling DVDs of 3-4 episode volumes of Spectacular Spider-Man for $5, and a single DVd of the MTV spider-Man cartoon 9with three episodes) for the same price :lol: You can get all of the Spectacular Spider-Man series on DVD at the same wal-mart for less then the price of the 7-8 individual volumes (about $25 instead of 30+) and you can get the whole MTV Spider-Man cartoon off of Amazon for (usually) less then $8 with shipping. So, some Spider-Man cartoons are being sold in connection to Homecoming, but mostly just stealing money from peoples wallets.

I'm just wondering how the 90s X-Men cartoon can get completely released, but not 90s Spider-Man.
 
I literally just got out of the theater, and have to say that Tom Holland may just have dethroned Thor as my favorite MCU character, which is not something I expected to say after being 'merely whelmed' by his appearance in Civil War.

As a Spidey film, Homecoming doesn't dethrone Spider-Man 2 when it comes to overall quality, but it's still a very solid movie. I could've personally done with far less RDJ and infinitely less Jon Favreau, but that's only because I don't think they were needed narratively.

The film's big twists of Liz's last name being Toomes and Aunt May finding out Peter's secret were really well-handled, IMO, and the latter especially sets us up for some interesting stuff going forward.

I was also surprised that Toomes didn't divulge Peter's secret, but we'll see if that ends up meaning anything down the road.

For being "burned out" on the MCU and not having a whole lot of pre-release excitement for the film, I actually really enjoyed SMH, and give it an A.

I'll also be adding it to my Superhero Blu-ray collection down the road.
 
I saw again this evening with my BF. Movie still holds up really good, audience really liked it. Don't think my opinion of it really changed, other than maybe picking up some plot stuff I missed the first time around. (Like the X-Ray machine being what destabilized the alien powersource, making it explosive.)

I noticed in a few scenes they put Tomei in... oversized "old aunt glasses," presumably to make her "seem older"... yeah doesn't work. She's still Marisa Tomei.

In the Iron Man movies Happy always struck me as just being kind of a naive and sort of in his "own world" of self-superiority but not really having the weight to back it up. He still seemed to have something of a "soft spot" to him, but here he seemed to be a bit too much of an ass, his contempt and dismissal of Peter just seemed awkward and misplaced especially since Tony put Peter under his care you'd think Happy would've taken it more seriously and not have been so dismissive of Peter.

And, granted, Peter was trying to take on more than he could probably handle given his age and experience but given the way Happy and Tony were dismissing him and ignoring him, who can blame him? He sees this stuff happening, thinks something is up, he reports it and doesn't hear anything back. How does he know Happy and Tony is handing this off for it to be handled by law enforcement? He got NO feedback and for all he knows they're blowing him off again so he takes it upon himself to deal with what he sees as being a big, potential, problem.

The incident on the ferry could have been avoided by Tony or Happy making a simple call and saying, "Hey, we looked into this stuff you said about the stolen alien technology and the pending exchange on the Long Island Ferry so we're sending in the FBI to handle it. Good eye, Peter!"

But, no, Peter passes this information along and he gets nothing back so he thinks he's being blown off and is going to take care of things himself.

And what happened on the ferry was hardly 100% Peter's fault, things could have just as easily have gone fine if the weapon didn't get out of control and things easily could've been just as bad if not worse if only the FBI were there to handle things and The Vulture came out and there were no "enhanced" people there to fight him, after all they were there and it seemed like the exchange and everything was going to happen uninterrupted.

Why did the cloak on Tony's transport plane suck so much? The cloak we've seen the Quinjets and the Hellicarrier (as well as The Bus) all have been nearly perfect cloaks akin to what's seen in Trek. But the cloak on this plane seemed to be almost more obvious than the plane just being visible and even seemed to project things on the underbody of the plane onto the the top of it sort of making the cloak useless. Come on, Tony! Your tech game is off in this movie, a weak-ass cloak on your cargo plane, the Spider-man suit was hacked into and disabled by a teenager and you allowed for the transportation of sensitive materials without an escort by either yourself or the Iron Legion.

(Also on the "Training Wheels" protocol on the suit, again, this seems like an area where giving Peter more information would have helped. To TELL him the suit will grow more advanced the more he uses it and the more he learns rather than just handing him the thing and letting him go wild.)

All me grumbling and nitpicking, but overall still a very good movie and take on Spider-Man.
 
I haven't seen the movie yet, but Sony and Marvel have dropped the ball yet again on marketing tie-ins for this movie! Where's the 1970's Spider-Man show on DVD or Blu-Ray? Or even DVD releases of the different Spidey cartoons?
For what it's worth, there are six episodes worth of material available on YouTube, the pilot movie, and uncut versions of two different two-parters that were theatrically released over-seas. They were released as "Spider-Man" in '77, "Spider-Man Strikes Back" in '78, and "Spider-Man: The Dragon's Challenge" in '81.

It would probably be against board policy to directly link them so I'll just link the opening credits...

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Pretty solid movie. For me, Sam Rami's 2004 film is the best Spider-man movie I have seen. The best thing about this latest film was Michael Keaton, although I wouldn't regard the Vulture as the best MCU villain. However, I didn't need Tony Stark or Happy Hogan in this film. Both were shitty as a mentor or guardian. And this movie has some continuity issues.
 
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I hate the timeline issues this introduces(or rather exacerbates). I'm willing to accept radioactive spiders mutating a kid into a superhero but if you're part of a shared universe in 2017 for fucks sake pay an intern 10 bucks to make sure your timeline makes sense.

That said, the movie stands even with some of the best of the MCU. The "MJ" wink and some less successful jokes aside, there really isn't much I'd change and so much right that it is easy to shrug them off.
 
Having now seen the film, I'm convinced that the 'timeline confusion' was deliberate and they've chosen to retcon everything we thought we knew and understood about the chronology of the MCU, thereby forcing us to essentially ignore any and all previous 'real-world' dating references.
 
The timeline confusion is just going to get worse. We just saw Peter's Sophomore year in 2017, but we won't see his Junior year until 2019 and his Senior year until 2021 at the earliest.
 
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@tomswift2002 -- I imagine that there are actually rights issues involved with the various producers and distributors. The '77 show was long before Marvel made its own content. Just look at how long it took to get a home release of Batman 66 due to conflicting rights, and that was an amazingly popular show.

From what I know, aside from 1 episode, all the episodes of the 77 series were released on Betamax, Laserdisc and VHS back in the 80's and 90's by two different companies. The reason that the 1 episode (The Captive Tower) never received a Betamax, Laserdisc or VHS release was due to the series having 13 episodes. All the other episodes were paired up (with bridging footage shot just for the home video releases) to present 2-hour releases. So you had 6 Beta's, Laserdiscs and VHS's containing 12 episodes.

For the record, I would totally rock Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends on Blu-ray.
It would be nice to see the rest of the Spider-Man cartoons cleaned up like Disney did for the 2004 release of the 1967 series. (All the pre-2000 Marvel cartoons have been released in Europe on DVD, but they quality varies, and a few of the episodes on the Spider-Man 5000 (Spider-Man's 1981 solo series, but was called 5000 based on its production numbers) DVD set have chroma issues that look like they had a bad U-matic or Betamax copy, or they were using a SECAM Master and their SECAM-to-PAL converter wasn't working correctly, resulting in the video flickering between color and black-and-white. This could even be corrected by just making a new standard-definition transfer of the 35mm film.
 
The timeline confusion is just going to get worse. We just saw Peter's Sophomore year in 2017, but we won't see his Junior year until 2019 and his Senior year until 2021 at the earliest.

Just so we're all clear, I put the phrase "timeline confusion " in quotes because I don't think there is actually any such thing, as I'm 100% convinced that the references to the Battle of New York happening 8 years before Homecoming's events were deliberately out in there as a way to reconfigur, refine, and retcon the MCU's chronology.
 
I was surprised by how much they were willing to deviate from the classic Spider-Man setup. That's not a criticism, just something surprising. No Daily Bugle, no photography. The tech-crammed suit, complete with talking AI. And far from being mistrusted by the public, everyone recognizes him as a hero in good standing.*

*There were two separate moments where I was sure they were setting up the public souring to him, thinking, "Oh, here's where it starts," only to have my expectations subverted.
 
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