Spider-Man: Homecoming' anticipation thread

[fireproof78]

What's interesting here is how much I feel the complete, polar opposite to this. I haven't looked forward to a Spider-Man movie since the first Raimi film (which was ok, but I hated McGuire and his cliche super-nerd, often joyless take on the character). Spider-Man 2 was a pleasant surprise, because Alfred Molina and the script brought Ock to life so wonderfully.

The Garfield Spidey tried. They tried to rework what it would mean for Peter to be an outsider in HS in the modern world, and tamp down the camp. But Garfield came across too cool for it to be really believable, especially early in ASM. Loved Emma Stone's Gwen. But the villains were lacking in both films. Especially the 2nd, where Jamie Foxx did his best Carrey-as-Riddler impression. Talk about a guy in the wrong movie. Yikes.

But this take on Peter has already won me over. The brief interlude in Civil War for his introduction, as tangential as it was to that film's story, introduced a character that is believably uncomfortable, uncertain, and just plain YOUNG. Holland's Spidey talks too damn much, and it's a little awkward, just like how I always imagined comic book Spidey. He quips. And he feels already feels like the one person in the room who just really wants to do the right thing, though he may not always know what that is, or how.

The relationship with Stark actually helps this Spidey, to my mind. It's a bit like a young musician meeting a famous rock star and being told that he likes your stuff. It's ego boosting, but it's also pressure. You have Potential. Now you can't hide anonymously behind questions of talent or skill, now you have something to live up to. It's a kid on the road to superstardom and all the highs and lows that come with that.

And it looks like we might have a quality villain again! Though the writing for Vulture is hopefully better than what we're seeing in this short trailer.

Will Spider-Man: Homecoming be any good? Won't know that until we see it. But everything about this trailer has me hyped.

There is a lot of potential, but I'm still skeptical. Possibly because I thought Garfield Spidey got the short end of the stick on this one.

I'm not convinced that Tony Stark as the mentor figure is a great idea, but the proof will be in the execution.

 

[Christopher]

I'm not convinced that Tony Stark as the mentor figure is a great idea, but the proof will be in the execution.

There's precedent for it in the comics, particularly in the original Civil War, where Tony sort of adopted Peter as his protege and gave him a high-tech "Iron Spider" upgrade, as well as convincing him to reveal his secret identity in support of the registration act. Spidey eventually saw the problems with registration and defected to Team Cap (and his identity was later reset to secret through a Dr. Strange spell). But before CW, there was a span of a year or two when Spidey was an Avenger and Tony was his mentor, and I think that relationship worked pretty well. They're pretty similar characters in a lot of ways.

 

[fireproof78]

There's precedent for it in the comics, particularly in the original Civil War, where Tony sort of adopted Peter as his protege and gave him a high-tech "Iron Spider" upgrade, as well as convincing him to reveal his secret identity in support of the registration act. Spidey eventually saw the problems with registration and defected to Team Cap (and his identity was later reset to secret through a Dr. Strange spell).

Not arguing precedent, just not convinced its the best choice in the current MCU.

 

[Ethros]

Oh cool, so we don't need to wait till July now, huh? We've just seen the movie already. Thanks Marvel/Sony!


Even showing the Cap cameo, awesome. Yeah, we don't need surprises in the longer July version

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[JD]

Looked pretty good to me. I was surprised he lost the Stark suit, I had just assumed the homemade suit would be in flashbacks. Spider-Man is a character who really fits the MCU style perfectly, and it looks like they did a good job here.
I'm surprised Tony appears to be playing such a big role, I had expected him to just in the one scene in limo.
So is Shocker going to be a part Vulture's gang? After Vulture talked about family, we saw Spidey being shot by what looked like it could have been a MCU version of Shocker's vibration weapon.

 

[Kemaiku]

Well there's the problem that every time that weapon is used, it seems to be the same energy effect as the Power Stone.

Not only do we have nearly all the Stones on Earth, but two powerful weapons lying around powered by them for people to just find?

 

[LJones41]

But before CW, there was a span of a year or two when Spidey was an Avenger and Tony was his mentor, and I think that relationship worked pretty well. They're pretty similar characters in a lot of ways.

Tony Stark and Peter Parker are similar characters? Those two? I really find that hard to believe. Unless Peter's personaltiy had undergone a major retcon.

 

[Christopher]

Not arguing precedent, just not convinced its the best choice in the current MCU.

I'm not arguing either; I'm just trying to offer a note of optimism. I think the relationship they had in the comics worked well, so it could potentially work well in the movies too.

Tony Stark and Peter Parker are similar characters? Those two? I really find that hard to believe. Unless Peter's personaltiy had undergone a major retcon.

They're both scientific and inventive geniuses who use their gifts for superheroics. That's the similarity that Tony saw when he took Peter on as a protege. Indeed, in recent years in the comics, we've seen Peter move into a Stark-like role as the head of the research firm Parker Industries (though it was really Otto Octavius who founded PI while he was occupying Peter's body and pretending to be him, but Peter took it over when he came back to life).

Also, the MCU version of Stark is motivated by a sense of responsibility and atonement for past mistakes, and he covers his insecurities with nonstop witticisms and banter. That's a lot like Spidey. I can definitely see Tony looking at Peter as a reminder of what he was like at that age. The main difference is that Tony learned his humility much later in life; take away Peter's formative tragedy and he might've grown up a lot like Tony. (We saw this in the '90s animated show's concluding "Spider Wars" storyline, where one of the alternate-reality Spider-Men was a version of Peter who'd never lost Uncle Ben and never known failure, so he was an overconfident billionaire celebrity superhero with a very Iron Man-like armor suit.)

 

[Timby]

Looked pretty good to me. I was surprised he lost the Stark suit, I had just assumed the homemade suit would be in flashbacks. Spider-Man is a character who really fits the MCU style perfectly, and it looks like they did a good job here.
I'm surprised Tony appears to be playing such a big role, I had expected him to just in the one scene in limo.
So is Shocker going to be a part Vulture's gang? After Vulture talked about family, we saw Spidey being shot by what looked like it could have been a MCU version of Shocker's vibration weapon.

I am almost positive that Sony is over-playing the presence of Downey in order to sell tickets -- pretty sure this isn't the Iron Man 4 the trailer makes it out to be.

I think it's patently clear that Stark does a "peace out" after the first act (it was said that Happy Hogan spends most of the movie keeping an eye on Parker and reporting to Stark) and comes back to save the day in the final battle.

And, yes, Shocker is one of Vulture's henchmen.

Also, really, if they're aping Ultimate so blatantly, they should have just used Miles Morales.

Also, the MCU version of Stark is motivated by a sense of responsibility and atonement for past mistakes

Fucking lawl, considering he goes through the exact same "I'm an arrogant asshole < Oh, I've done wrong < Oh, I'll make it better" in basically every single one of his movies. Stark, as written in the Marvel movies, is basically the laziest and easiest character to write: Give him a tiny bit of pathos and self-regret and then let him do his thing.

I mean, I don't blame Downey Jr. one bit for demanding as much money as he can to do these paint-by-numbers movies, because it's not like his character ever grows.

 

[kirk55555]

Then I'm sure that you still like it on some level.
I didn't watch the new one F4.
After the bad word of mouth it didn't interest me enough.
I don't feel like I miss out.

I've watched, and own, many superhero movies I don't like at all. For example, I absolutely loathe Ang Lee's Hulk. But, I saw it for $4 at Wal-mart, so I picked it up (along with Seth Rogan's The Green Hornet, which I also hate). I got Fant4stic on Blu Ray cheap, which is the only reason I own it. If I enjoy the comic character, I'm going to watch their movie. Heck, even if Marvel or DC made movies off the few characters they own that I don't like (like the current Ms. Marvel or the "Burnside" Batgirl), I'd still watch them. Really, the only thing I'm good at skipping is bad superhero TV shows (like Lucifier, Powerless, Iron Fist, etc), because there is a difference between hate watching something for two hours and doing it for 13-20 hours.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

But why watch it at all if you hate it? There is no obligation, no reward of any kind for being a sort of completionists.
You just give money to products that make you miserable.

 

[JD]

Homecoming is going to be introducing Damage Control to the MCU, this version will be a new company started by Ton Stark.

 

[fireproof78]

But why watch it at all if you hate it? There is no obligation, no reward of any kind for being a sort of completionists.
You just give money to products that make you miserable.

A fair question, but to each their own.

 

[urbandefault]

This is the first Spidey movie I've been excited about since 2002. It looks like a fun ride.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well there's the problem that every time that weapon is used, it seems to be the same energy effect as the Power Stone.

Not only do we have nearly all the Stones on Earth, but two powerful weapons lying around powered by them for people to just find?

What about the Emma Stone?

 

[Tosk]

I'm also not thrilled about the swimming pool snippet. I'm tired of Spider-Man doing stupid, embarrassing shit while he's still learning, even if he's still young and learning.

I don't think that's what happening in that scene. Seems like a pretty intentional move on his part, seeing as he yells, "Cannonbaaaall!"

 

[kirk55555]

But why watch it at all if you hate it? There is no obligation, no reward of any kind for being a sort of completionists.
You just give money to products that make you miserable.

To be fair, I usually watch stuff I hate by getting the DVD from the library, so I generally don't give bad movies money. My Fant4stic Blu ray was actually second hand from an Amazon seller (although I did that because of the price, not to specifically deny FOX money). Hulk and Green Hornet are both very dead, so I don't particularly care if part of the $3.75 a piece they cost goes to people who made bad movies.

As for why? Because a bad superhero movie based on characters I like in the comics is almost always worth seeing at least once. Plus, even a bad superhero movie has things I can find interesting, even if its just seeing how badly the material was adapted. Fant4stic specifically I find fascinating. Its terrible and shouldn't have been made, but I bought it and will rewatch it occasionally just because there is something about its badness I find interesting.

Sometimes a trainwreck can be worth watching, and even really bad superhero movies can have interesting or even good elements or scenes.

 

[Tosk]

I own Man-Thing on DVD. There, I said it.

 

[kirk55555]

I own Man-Thing on DVD. There, I said it.

Now that is a movie I don't think I'll be rewatching.

But, to be fair, when it comes to famously bad superhero movies, I happen to own

Fant4stic
Amazing Spider-Man
Hulk
Green Hornet
Superman III/IV
Supergirl
Superman returns (not bad so much as probably the most well known mediocre superhero film)
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Spider-Man 3
X-Men 3
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Ghost Rider: Spirit of vengeance
The Spirit

on DVD/Blu ray (along with some movies people tend to dislike, like the first Fantastic Four [not the corman one], Ghost Rider, and daredevil [director's cut], which I actually like a fairly well)

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Homecoming is going to be introducing Damage Control to the MCU, this version will be a new company started by Ton Stark.

I wondered if that was the case after reading about the Vulture's background for the film and how Stark pushed him out.

I don't think that's what happening in that scene. Seems like a pretty intentional move on his part, seeing as he yells, "Cannonbaaaall!"

Yeah, I picked that up on the second viewing. With better context, that scene might not be so bad, but on first impression, it did look bad.