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Spoilers Spider-Man Far From Home review and discussion

Grade Spider-Man: Far From Home

  • A+ "Face it Tiger, you just hit the jackpot!"

    Votes: 10 14.7%
  • A

    Votes: 27 39.7%
  • A-

    Votes: 5 7.4%
  • B+ "With great power, there must also come... great responsibility"

    Votes: 14 20.6%
  • B

    Votes: 7 10.3%
  • B-

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • C+ "The Spider or the Man?"

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • C

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D+ "Spider-Man No More!"

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F "Threat or Menace?"

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Total voters
    68
  • Poll closed .
There's no point to having Spidey be in a shared Universe if he's not going to have connections to the rest of the Verse. And the comics themselves have been trying to move away from Spidey's usual Status Quo for a long time now, because it's run its course.

I don't see anyone complaining about how the Dead Spidey in Spider-Verse was basically Iron Man.

This sort of talk is what led to the X-Men writers thinking they could get away with the X-Men stories being more and mores separated from the rest of Marvel, a move which nearly DESTROYED the Marvel Comics Line by the 90s.
You can do a Spidey movie without them reminding us that they’re part of the MCU every 5 seconds. The comics did it for many decades. All you need is a few references every now and then.
I prefer the X-Men separate. I think they work better as a concept. I don’t know how the MCU is going to handle them but I hope they just set up a new universe for them.
I took that Spider-Man in Spider-Verse to be more of a Batman inspired version than the Iron fella.
 
You can do a Spidey movie without them reminding us that they’re part of the MCU every 5 seconds. The comics did it for many decades.

Actually, the Spidey comics ignored the greater Universe a lot of the time too.

I prefer the X-Men separate. I think they work better as a concept. I don’t know how the MCU is going to handle them but I hope they just set up a new universe for them.

Utter laziness.

I took that Spider-Man in Spider-Verse to be more of a Batman inspired version than the Iron fella.

You get the point, though.
 
I don’t think it’s lazy. I just think it’ll convolute the MCU now if they shoehorned them in. They’ve already got the Inhumans which they always seem to ignore, which makes a plot hole in this movie. There’s no hole in the superhero lineup if they just recruit Quake and the others.
The Spider-Verse movie was fine to have that since the whole idea was to show different version of the character. I would just like the first Spider-Man shown in the MCU proper to be like the main 616 comic version.
I think Spider-Man does better not connected to the greater Marvel universe. It brings out the character more and makes it more special when he does eventually crossover with the other heroes.
 
They’ve already got the Inhumans which they always seem to ignore, which makes a plot hole in this movie.
How is that a plot hole?

I would just like the first Spider-Man shown in the MCU proper to be like the main 616 comic version.
None of the other MCU characters are the 616 versions, why would Spidey be any different?
 
I said like the 616 version. Not THE 616 version.
It’s plot hole as Fury says that the world is lacking heroes after the events of Endgame and that he has to rely on Peter when there’ are many other superpowered People out there who may be willing to be trained to become heroes for his group. Whatever that group is now.
Not to mention they might be actual adults as well. :)
 
I'm so glad that I have other things to think about, so inconsistencies in made up comic books, movies, and tv shows don't really bother me.

Just sayn', carry on. :techman:
 
I'm not going to see the movie for a couple hours, but I did spoil myself a couple days ago on JK Simmons as J Jonah Jameson. Actually, it had already more or less been spoiled on Facebook, so I just sought out some confirmation.

It occurs to me that the public turning against Spider-Man could be the beginning of a trend where, in the new post-Avengers world, people no longer trust superhumans. Which, of course, down the line would explain why, once the X-Men finally have arrived, the world does not trust mutants, despite loving the Avengers.
 
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There's so much to love about this film. The perfect balance of Spider-Man adventures and Peter Parker misadventures, the globetrotting through all of my favorite European cities, the beautiful blossoming of Peter and MJ's romance, Mysterio's devilish and inevitable betrayal, even some exploration into the Snaps fallouts, and, of course, the twists in the credits!

Where to start?

I loved how Peter, despite his adventures into space, becoming dusted (excuse me, blipped), and then returning to life five years later, he's still an awkward teenager trying to find his way in life. He's excited about the European science trip but also nervous because he wants to tell MJ how he feels about her, just like any teenager would. It's clumsy, it's dumb, it's sweet, and it has a happy ending for both of them. I love how MJ figured out Peter's alter ego, following from the hints left behind in Homecoming and that ultimately makes their relationship stronger.

Mysterio has always been one of my favorite Spidey villains so I was thrilled that he finally got his chance to shine. Naturally, I never bought his "I'm from an alternate universe" heroic shtick ever since the trailers (although I am amused by how many poster in this forum went with it regardless), so his grand reveal wasn't a surprise at all for me. That said, the "reveal party" came off a bit cheesy even though Jake Gyllenhaal did his best to act it out (the black and white flashbacks were particularly corny, but I did like the callbacks).

I enjoyed Beck's mentorship towards Peter and I felt like Beck's affection towards Peter was genuine right up to the point Peter kept getting in the way of Beck's grand master plan. I especially loved we didn't just get the rudimentary illusions and drones with the Elementals but also a proper mindfuck illusion sequence with Peter thinking he was with Fury (twice over) as well as some good ol' fashion flashy special effects (which is a nice nod Beck's origins in the comics). Illusions were always Beck's thing, right until the bitter end...

Now for the twists: WOW. Even though J.K. Simmons was at the world premiere I never, ever, ever dared to dream that he would actually reprise his role as Jonah! I love how they changed The Daily Bugle into an Info Wars-type "news" program, complete with Jonah's typical vitriol perfectly stepping in for Alex Jones' bluster. And what better way to introduce this version of Jonah than to unmask Spider-Man himself with a beyond-the-grave assist from Mysterio, pulling off one last illusion. I look forward to seeing how the next film handles this sudden change in Peter's life (as well as MJ's and Ned's...and even Flash's)

Aside from Michael Gough's Alfred, I can't think of a single film franchise reboot that brought back an actor in the same role, although I've heard tell that all four of those Batman are supposedly the same Batman but I call bullshit on that. Either way, this moment felt completely unprecedented and I really hope his return isn't limited to this mid-credits cameo.

And as if that wasn't enough, we get another great twist: Talos and Soren have been masquerading as Fury and Hill during the whole film while Fury gets a long overdue vacation in space (undoubtedly arranged by Carol). This helps explain away what had been my biggest complaint about the whole film: How could someone as paranoid and savvy as Nick Fury get duped by Mysterio (even if he is the "master of illusion")? I couldn't quite swallow it. That's what makes this twist so perfect. Not only does it explain small inconstancies in Fury's and Hill's behaviors, but the viewers don't fell cheated that we didn't actually get Fury and Hill after all. And I just realized this twist works on another level: Beck was busy casting illusions throughout the whole film and yet he didn't catch onto the biggest illusion of them all, staring him right in the face!
 
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I'm not sure when I'm going to get to see this movie, but I'm aware of credits spoilers for it and have to say that I'm surprised by the decision to take the story in the direction that it's now headed going into "Spidey 3" .
 
It's funny how desperately people want the multiverse in these movies that they believed the master of illusions in the trailer.

Were people really expecting 2 Spider-verse movies in less than a calendar year? That's redundant storytelling.

I thought the last half of the movie was perfection. I think I was too distracted by waiting for Mysterio's lie to be revealed that I had trouble enjoying the movie until after the fact. Which makes me think I'll enjoy the movie that much more on my second viewing.

And JK Simmons. Best cameo in a movie ever. (Sorry, Stan.)
 
I thought there might be credence to the multiverse thing due to the comics, in the Spider-Men miniseries, it’s revealed that the Ultimate Mysterio is the same as 616 Mysterio. He managed to find a way to interact in another universe. I thought it would be a interesting way to introduce a character. Maybe with one that already knows about Spider-Man and has an advantage because of that.
I don’t think it would be a rehash of SpiderVerse since that story revolved around the multiverse and how to send them back. This one just happened to have a guy who was from a different universe and that was that. You didn’t need any more. Instead they just went with the disgruntled ex employee Angle. Funny how both villains of Spidey so far have come from Tony screwing them at some point in the past.
 
I loved it.

Would not surprise me if Peter’s secret is disproven by having one of the Skrulls showing Peter and Spidey together at the same time. Obviously the rest of that Daily Bugle story is false, Spider-man is not the villian and did not kill Mysterio. So Peter will need to expose the lie there and the public will be dubious of believing the claim Peter is Spider-man is true as well.

I am curious how long they will wait to revisit this. It will be a couple years before a direct Spider-man sequel. But the Marvel universe will continue in other films before that. This is a bigger deal than May learning the secret on a cliffhanger. They could skip over her acceptance of it. Even if Peter disproves his secret they can not skip over the reactions to the claim from his friends and the rest of the world.

I wonder if we will see J. Jonah Jameson outside of Spider-man films. He would be a great supporting character in the greater universe. He has a past too. We could see him pop up in the Black Widow prequel as a young reporter, etc.

J.K. Simmons return to the role is simply fantastic. It interesting now to read the vague comments from Marvel Studios a few months ago about how the Bugle and JJJ could maybe be brought in. Modren, different... but similar. You have “characterization consistency” which has nothing to do with continuity. Which is something that only a previous actor playing a role again can bring. So that the trappings of newspaper editor vs online blogger do not even matter. I am very happy they modernized him. It’s hard to image this new angle being as widely accepted if played by a new actor. Even if very talented. The fixation of new actor combined with new job title would have been seen as too far removed from what is expected. This is the best of the old and new,
 
It was... okay. A cookie-cutter Marvel movie. Peter does something really dumb after knowing someone 5 minutes. Another bitter former Tony Stark employee (or rather, a whole group of them now) using his tech for ridiculously over-the-top purposes.

That the only part I popped for was the after credits scene with JK Simmons reprising his role from the early 00's Spidey movies says it all.
 
Aside from Michael Gough's Alfred, I can't think of a single film franchise reboot that brought back an actor in the same role, although I've heard tell that all four of those Batman are supposedly the same Batman but I call bullshit on that. Either way, this moment felt completely unprecedented and I really hope his return isn't limited to this mid-credits cameo.

Pat Hingle played Commissioner Gordon in all four movies of that same quadrilogy, which would lend credence to them all being in the same continuity. YMMV.

However, the James Bond franchise retained Judi Dench as M when they rebooted the franchise with Daniel Craig and Casino Royale.
 
Speaking of Judi Dench, she’s played Queen Victoria in multiple movies that are unrelated.
 
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