Spoilers Spider-Man Far From Home review and discussion

[TREK_GOD_1]

For me, Raimi had a clear understanding of the character and vision for the films. Despite the changes they were very much the classic Spider-Man and it was cool to see panels from the comic books come to life. They had feeling.

Quoted for truth. Raimi was an actual fan of the comics, but had the maturity to merge the best of the source with a film's format/sensibilities, making the best filmed Spider-Man stories to date.

The ASM movies were simply bland by comparison. I found myself falling asleep during both of them.

More like an erratic mess, starting with Garfield acting like a stammering escapee from a padded cell. That's not any version of Parker, yet his interpretation was (apparently) supported by the producers.

 

[Booji]

Fine. Almost nothing that Skywalker said was accurate.

Nope

 

[Anwar]

Quoted for truth. Raimi was an actual fan of the comics, but had the maturity to merge the best of the source with a film's format/sensibilities, making the best filmed Spider-Man stories to date.

Not especially, his was more all Silver Age stuff and nothing beyond that. And a sadsack Peter Parker.

More like an erratic mess, starting with Garfield acting like a stammering escapee from a padded cell. That's not any version of Parker, yet his interpretation was (apparently) supported by the producers.

You realize this was quite in line with how Peter acted in the very first Spider-Man story? Egotistical and a tad vicious?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Not especially, his was more all Silver Age stuff and nothing beyond that. And a sadsack Peter Parker.

Raimi was largely influenced by the Silver Age, so his adaptation was spot-on, with a Parker who moved from shy to solemn/confident as the first film unfolded. That was the comic come alive from the Ditko to Romita period.

You realize this was quite in line with how Peter acted in the very first Spider-Man story?

You realize comic book Peter Parker was not acting erratic, or like he was out of his mind in the Lee/Ditko era. Moreover, the Garfield films rapidly moved beyond any point that would even mildly be referred to as the early story era in the first of those films.

 

[Tosk]

Not especially, his was more all Silver Age stuff and nothing beyond that. And a sadsack Peter Parker.

You realize this was quite in line with how Peter acted in the very first Spider-Man story? Egotistical and a tad vicious?

So "it's old stuff" can be used as a negative for Raimi, but a positive for Webb? Interesting.

 

[suarezguy]

Not especially, his was more all Silver Age stuff and nothing beyond that. And a sadsack Peter Parker.

IMO the first 50-122 issues were the best and it's real good that Raimi focused on them but he also included elements from later eras notably more developed characterizations of Aunt May.

You realize this was quite in line with how Peter acted in the very first Spider-Man story? Egotistical and a tad vicious?

Selfish and resentful to the in-crowd yes, very far from unappreciative to or detached from the aunt and uncle who loved him.

 

[Anwar]

Raimi was largely influenced by the Silver Age, so his adaptation was spot-on, with a Parker who moved from shy to solemn/confident as the first film unfolded.

Peter was never shy in the original comics. He acted that way, but he was actually pretty cocky and arrogant right from day one. For different reasons before and after he got his powers.

That was the comic come alive from the Ditko to Romita period.

More a romanticized take on what folks think back on the Silver Age.

You realize comic book Peter Parker was not acting erratic, or like he was out of his mind in the Lee/Ditko era. Moreover, the Garfield films rapidly moved beyond any point that would even mildly be referred to as the early story era in the first of those films.

They gave him some elements of Ultimate Peter. Who did act that way.

So "it's old stuff" can be used as a negative for Raimi, but a positive for Webb? Interesting.

Only when it comes to deflating Raimi fanboys who hate progression of the character and premise.

IMO the first 50-122 issues were the best and it's real good that Raimi focused on them but he also included elements from later eras notably more developed characterizations of Aunt May.

Yeah, I appreciated May being more than the senile prop she was for decades until the 90s finally gave her more to do.

Selfish and resentful to the in-crowd yes, very far from unappreciative to or detached from the aunt and uncle who loved him.

That comes from the Ultimate take on Peter, IMO. He clashed with Ben and May a lot more.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

So "it's old stuff" can be used as a negative for Raimi, but a positive for Webb? Interesting.

That's what you get from someone who resents the Silver Age and the success Raimi had in bringing Spider-Man to the big screen. Thankfully, Raimi's dedication to the comics he was inspired by are still celebrated.

 

[Anwar]

That's what you get from someone who resents the Silver Age

No, I just resent the backwards thinking of how that's the ONLY way to do things. Especially when Raimi didn't even do the Silver Age proper, he did a romanticized version of what actually happened in those stories.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Not even close to what Raimi did with his adaptation.

 

[Sci]

J.

K.

Simmons.

That is all.

 

[Anwar]

Not even close to what Raimi did with his adaptation.

It is. His Peter is more based on the idea of what modern people THINK Silver Age Peter was than how he really was, and his MJ was more a combo of Liz Allen and Betty Brant with some Gwen Stacy than actual MJ. And his dismissal of any post-SA character (like his contempt for Venom) also shows this.

 

[DigificWriter]

Raimi didn't even do the Silver Age proper, he did a romanticized version of what actually happened in those stories.

And this is a problem because why?

 

[Anwar]

And this is a problem because why?

It's not a problem exactly, just when someone tried to say it's the "definitive" take.

 

[Booji]

It's not a problem exactly, just when someone tried to say it's the "definitive" take.

Toby was a piece of fucking wood in those abortions. If that's considered "definitive", I'll happily stick with the inferior MCU.

 

[EnderAKH]

Toby was a piece of fucking wood in those abortions. If that's considered "definitive", I'll happily stick with the inferior MCU.

I've said it before to my friends, I think the best take would be Garfield's version of the character in Raimi's movies.

 

[DigificWriter]

It's not a problem exactly, just when someone tried to say it's the "definitive" take.

And again I ask "this is a problem because why?"

 

[Booji]

I've said it before to my friends, I think the best take would be Garfield's version of the character in Raimi's movies.

That would have been much better. I loved Garfield. He just got stuck with bad scripts. But, that's Sony for you.

 

[Anwar]

And again I ask "this is a problem because why?"

Like I said, not a problem. Just an irritation.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I've said it before to my friends, I think the best take would be Garfield's version of the character in Raimi's movies.

That would have been much better. I loved Garfield. He just got stuck with bad scripts. But, that's Sony for you.

I liked Garfield a lot, until I saw Holland. Holland is definitive for me. All I really want is the chance to see him grow and change and eventually become the Holland version but fully matured and more independent.

I'm really hoping that even if this split happens and lasts a significant time, we might still see Marvel regain the rights to the character five or ten years from now and then they just bring Holland back but as an older Spidey. Maybe do the science teacher thing or the story with the Doc Ock body swap.