[SPECULATION] After The Fall - the next major event?
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Well, until very recently, SW had a multi-tier canon system, with the movies on top, but the books were considered canonical, to a certain extent. Now, of course, they have been declared non-canonical, but future novels will be supposedly be as canonical as the movies - so yeah, it's a bit messed up.
It's all just corporate spin designed to get people to buy more tie-ins, out of an illusion that an SW novel is more "canonical" than a novel for other franchises.
The most basic definition of "canon" would be, "The narrative entries that ancillary narrative entries are based upon -- i.e., the original work itself." For the purposes of describing what this means in terms of continuity, a meaningful definition of "the canon" could be framed as: "An entry in the narrative which future entries must be consistent with."
By that definition, no new SW novels will be canon, because if J.J. Abrams is writing Episode VIII and decides to contradict the new canonical SW novels, he will. Just like none of the old Expanded Universe/now-they-call-them-"Legends" books were canonical (in spite of their name), because the instant they decided they didn't want to be bound by those books, they weren't.
By contrast, ST is very simple and clear. They don't try to spin the idea of something being canonical when it's obviously not. ST TV shows and movies are the canon; everything else isn't and must be consistent with the TV shows and movies. Pretty clear.
The only character from TOS where im curious about is captain Sulu.
Is he still alive and captain of the Excelsior?
That are the big questions... maybe a little bit exaggerated.
Is he still alive and captain of the Excelsior?
That are the big questions... maybe a little bit exaggerated.
The only character from TOS where im curious about is captain Sulu.
Is he still alive and captain of the Excelsior?
That are the big questions... maybe a little bit exaggerated.
Read One Constant Star!
It seems to me that a fan should be wary of embracing the interpretation that the new Star Wars novels being canonical ("this time we mean it, honest!") is a good thing, anyway. If they're to be consistent not only with existing canon but also any future canon, doesn't that suggest that they'll play it very safe so long as the powers that be are committed to that policy? Nothing surprising or challenging, because that would destroy the illusion that these works are guaranteed to fit with whatever the later films/TV shows decide to do. Isn't there a strong risk that these new canonical novels are going to be far more restrictive than the "Legends" EU, and thus less satisfying?
(This has echoes in my hope that there isn't any post-Nemesis Trek TV series, at least for a while, or if there is one it's set far enough in the future that the current novels don't have to abandon their continuity. I'd hate for the novels to have to realign and abandon their current interpretation of the Trek 'verse).
(This has echoes in my hope that there isn't any post-Nemesis Trek TV series, at least for a while, or if there is one it's set far enough in the future that the current novels don't have to abandon their continuity. I'd hate for the novels to have to realign and abandon their current interpretation of the Trek 'verse).
I have to read 3 star trek books(the buried age, Forged in Fire and The Sundered), before I start with One Constant Star wich time set is 2319.
Then you will have to wait that long to find out the answer to your question...unless you dip into the thread dedicated to OCS
Thanks for your comments.
No I don't want any spoilers
Then I will have to read faster.
No I don't want any spoilers
Then I will have to read faster.
Well, no because the Prime Universe didn't cease to exist when Spock and Nero got sucked into the black hole. We see this in Countdown, and we see this in STO. The novel continuity will continue after 2387, just without Spock or Romulus.
You talk like this is some sort of draconian commandment limiting creativity. It's not, it's just the reality tie-in materials have to deal with.
That "multi-tiered canon" stuff was crap. While George Lucas borrowed what he wanted to from the EU, in the end the movies were the only thing he counted, and some fans will argue he didn't even stay too consistent with them. Though, I thought Disney wasn't even going to consider future novels canon, that from now on Star Wars canon is just the movies plus Clone Wars and Rebels.
Correct on all accounts. I was just using STO as an example proving the Prime Universe continues on past 2387, as they continue on well past that year. So there's no reason the novel continuity has to come to an end when they reach 2387.
I'd love to someday get a novel about Spock's loss in the Prime universe. The authors of Vulcan's Forge/Heart/Soul would be a good choice. Focus on Saavik and the surviving TOS crew, with Picard and TNG characters as supporting characters. There should be a lot to follow up on with the fallout from the destruction of Romulus and what becomes of the surviving Romulans.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#2014_reboot
Essentially, most things published after April 25, 2014 will be considered part of the new canon.
Thank you for saying this. Just because Spock disappears in 2387 doesn't meant that he disappears from the universe in which the majority of Trek novels take place. The events of Star Trek may reflect occurrences in two alternate realities rather than just one. There's no reason to assume that any books written for the 50th anniversary will spend any time detailing Spock's disappearance or Romulus' destruction.
--Sran
Yeah, but don't forget that they're basically different franchises from each other because they have different ways of describing species, physics, etc. You can't say that they're all different quantum realities within the same multiverse unless you want to throw the entire concept of consistency out the window.
Even if you ignore Word of God from the movie writers, Christopher's first DTI novel establishes that one-way time travel via black hole causes a split in the timeline, not an overwrite. So the novelverse is well prepared to survive beyond 2387.
OK, got that misapprehension pretty much solved except for one last thing:
Is there any requirement for the books to have to align with the Countdown comic?
On the one hand, some of the moves there - like Ambassador Picard - could work, on the other hand I'm finding Data more interesting outside of Starfleet.
Is there any requirement for the books to have to align with the Countdown comic?
On the one hand, some of the moves there - like Ambassador Picard - could work, on the other hand I'm finding Data more interesting outside of Starfleet.
I wasn't keen on their work - I would prefer Margaret Wander Bonanno or James Swallow, both of whom impressed with An Unspoken Truth and Cast No Shadow respectively. Both novels being the 'type' I envision would be required.
No, Countdown does not and will not fit into the novel continuity. It's just another non canon publication.
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