Speculation about time travelling forwards (spoilers)

[biotech]

It seems likely the plot is about Romulans and Spock going back in time to before Kirk's birth, and the Romulans trying to stop Kirk becoming captain while Spock tries to stop them and preserve the timeline.

What if, instead of zipping instantly from one time period to the next, both the Romulans and Spock have to do it the hard way.

IE once they get to the earliest point, from then on its a case of waiting, and getting older.

Spock could end up being about 200 years old by the end of this, or more if he returns back to his year of oragin the hard way.

 

[sithlord]

That would be pretty damn cool (imho,) and would solve the inherent dilemma with a time travel story, being why doesn't the bad guy just go back in time before he was defeated nonsense (aka the Generations Conundrum.) It also raises the stakes for the characters removing any opportunity for do overs.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Wouldnt that mean there were two spocks during all the trek we know of so far?

 

[biotech]

Yes, but I would imagine the one from the future would stay well out of the way of the one in the right time period, this film not withstanding.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Great idea but c'mon this is star trek... noone can stay 'out of tbe way' for 100 years :-P

 

[Franklin]

What happens to older Spock at the end of the movie intrigues me more than anything else.
That said, I'm not sure why he'd be stranded in time, though. Not Spock. He's too resourceful. He would have to choose to stay back in time. Or need to stay there.

 

[scotthm]

biotech said:
It seems likely the plot is about Romulans and Spock going back in time to before Kirk's birth, and the Romulans trying to stop Kirk becoming captain while Spock tries to stop them and preserve the timeline.

I'm wondering what it is that Kirk did that makes all this trouble worthwhile for the Romulans. Is there evidence of anything?

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[biotech]

They could be relatives of the captain of the ship he took that cloaking device from.

That incident probably put their family in shame for decades.

 

[scotthm]

^ Possibly, but if this was the reason, I'd have traveled back to The Enterprise Incident and exposed Kirk and his espionage. That would have disgraced him!

So, this explanation doesn't work for me.

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[FlyingTigress]

He led the fight to decriminalize the possession and consumption of Romulan Ale, and, once it became legal and regulated, the price on the street went WAY DOWN?

 

[Dark Gilligan]

scotthm said:
I'm wondering what it is that Kirk did that makes all this trouble worthwhile for the Romulans. Is there evidence of anything?

It might not be so much what Kirk specifically did to the Romulans, rather they want to eliminate the source of inspiration that Kirk became for generations of Starfleet officers to follow. Even in the Klingon Empire, Kirk had become a legendary figure.

 

[scotthm]

Dark Gilligan said:
Even in the Klingon Empire, Kirk had become a legendary figure.

In the movies, which is one of their problems.

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[EliyahuQeoni]

scotthm said:

Dark Gilligan said:
Even in the Klingon Empire, Kirk had become a legendary figure.

In the movies, which is one of their problems.

I don't see this as problematic. Enemy commanders/generals are often revered and honored by their opponents as much--and sometimes at the same time as--they are hated. One need look no further than the number of ex-Confederate soldiers who honored Generals Grant and Sherman at their funerals. I would think this would be even more the case in a society where war and combat is very much glorified as it is among the Klingons

 

[sithlord]

The events the Romulans would truly want to disrupt would be the ones depicted in Balance of Terror. If the Enterprise waan't there, the Romulans testing the cloaking device would've returned home successful and the empire could have dealt a devestating first strike against the Federation.

 

[scotthm]

EliyahuQeoni said:
Enemy commanders/generals are often revered and honored by their opponents as much--and sometimes at the same time as--they are hated. ...I would think this would be even more the case in a society where war and combat is very much glorified as it is among the Klingons

I'm just trying to figure out what glorious battles Kirk and the Klingons partook in that gave him such a reputation. Wasn't there something called the Organian Peach Treaty in place for most of TOS? The few incidents we saw between Kirk and the Klingons hardly seem that they should have elevated him to legendary status, by any stretch of the imagination.

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[scotthm]

sithlord said:
The events the Romulans would truly want to disrupt would be the ones depicted in Balance of Terror. If the Enterprise waan't there, the Romulans testing the cloaking device would've returned home successful and the empire could have dealt a devestating first strike against the Federation.

May have. Then again, I expect there were other competent Starfleet officers out there besides just Kirk and crew.

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[archeryguy1701]

scotthm said:

EliyahuQeoni said:
Enemy commanders/generals are often revered and honored by their opponents as much--and sometimes at the same time as--they are hated. ...I would think this would be even more the case in a society where war and combat is very much glorified as it is among the Klingons

I'm just trying to figure out what glorious battles Kirk and the Klingons partook in that gave him such a reputation. Wasn't there something called the Organian Peach Treaty in place for most of TOS? The few incidents we saw between Kirk and the Klingons hardly seem that they should have elevated him to legendary status, by any stretch of the imagination.

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Well, it could have been word of all his other missions that made him so big and legendary.

 

[Akiraprise]

archeryguy1701 said:

scotthm said:

EliyahuQeoni said:
Enemy commanders/generals are often revered and honored by their opponents as much--and sometimes at the same time as--they are hated. ...I would think this would be even more the case in a society where war and combat is very much glorified as it is among the Klingons

I'm just trying to figure out what glorious battles Kirk and the Klingons partook in that gave him such a reputation. Wasn't there something called the Organian Peach Treaty in place for most of TOS? The few incidents we saw between Kirk and the Klingons hardly seem that they should have elevated him to legendary status, by any stretch of the imagination.

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Well, it could have been word of all his other missions that made him so big and legendary.

Yeah, this is what I guessed they meant. Kirk is well known for his cunning against other species. Word seemed to spread quickly that the Enterprise was in an area.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Maybe that era lacked other heroes so Kirk was the only one known.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

Or maybe there were other Star Fleet captains that were seen in the same way, but Kirk is the only one we know of.