We might not have known about them but if they were as good as Kirk then the galaxy would have known.
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The ones we saw yeah, highly unlike that that is most of them tho and that Kirk is like the captain who survived when no others did. I know hes good but im not sure he belongs on that pedastool.
Never read the novel so no idea.
Nah because then the Klingons would hate Sisko just as much for bringing them out of extinction?
Putting aside my contempt for the time travel idea and not having whoever wants to kill lil kirk go back and kill his grandad or something... idea makes no sense. In reality, time travel into the future is possible thanks to relativity. All any one wanting to 'return' to their time would have to do is head off at relativistic speeds and let time dilation do the work. A couple of years pass for the traveller, a hundred years for the rest of the galaxy.
It's possible huh.
I think the actual reference was that Kirk was the only captain to bring his crew home relatively intact. He suffered losses and hardship during his 5-year mission, but not as many as his peers. It was in honor of this that the Enterprise delta was adopted to represent all of Starfleet.
From Roddenberry himself in his TMP novelization.
Here's a thought...
Go back in time to the United States, and murder George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, one of the Kennedy brothers or Martin Luther King as children, before they make any kind of mark in history.
See how history turns out without one or more of them.
One man can have a big effect on history.
Take Kirk out of Starfleet history, and see what happens to the Federation.
Go back in time to the United States, and murder George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, one of the Kennedy brothers or Martin Luther King as children, before they make any kind of mark in history.
See how history turns out without one or more of them.
One man can have a big effect on history.
Take Kirk out of Starfleet history, and see what happens to the Federation.
Thats the main flaw with any sort of time travel, you could back to any number of times and places to screw up history, yet every single time it has always been eitehr a time we already know, or the current time which the movie/episode was made in (1996, 2000, etc)
It could be argued that Spock was more important in terms of Earth and Starfleet than Kirk was.
Take, for example, the time Enterprise encountered V'Ger on its way to Earth. As I recall, it was Spock who gave the crew the insight needed to end the threat to Earth.
Another example I can think of is from The Voyage Home, where the alien ship was threatening Earth because there were no whales. I believe Spock's input was critical in getting the ship safely through its time travel episodes, and in getting the whales aboard the vessel.
So, in both of these cases where the Earth was saved from destruction, Spock seems to me to have been more influential than Kirk. Therefore, it seems to me that eliminating Spock would be more harmful to Earth.
Besides this, I think this time travel idea is way too much like the one in First Contact, wher the Borg traveled into Earth's past to prevent first contact with the Vulcans. It's a well worn idea whose time has long past come to an end.
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I like time travel stuff, but not when someone goes back to the past to try to change history. Been there done that.
Or let Edith Keeler live.
IMO, the best changing history time travel story in at least popular sci-fi is the "Red Dwarf" episode "Tikka to Ride". Time travel leads Lister and the others to thwarting the JFK assassination. The resulting change in the timeline is disasterous. To set the timeline straight, Lister and the others had to go back to November 1963 and make sure JFK was assassinated. Tasteful? Not to some. No different that having to let Edith Keeler die, though.
And, it turns the "what would happen if" time travel cliche on its ear.
Who knows? The timeline that unfolds without a James T. Kirk may actually turn out to be better for the Federation.
For a while maybe. If that happened I believe they wouldve made peace with the klingons a lot earlier and avoided a lot of fighting. That said its through fighting that we grow stronger, probably wouldve lost the dominion war later on because of it.
