I figured they meant the guy from Arrow. (Stephen Amell, isn't it?)
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I figured they meant the guy from Arrow. (Stephen Amell, isn't it?)
Barrowman is also on Arrow, and his character is a villain who runs around with a bow and arrows.
IMO, the Brigadier is a Pertwee era character. Okay, yes, he was introduced with Troughton, but it was with Pertwee where he had his spotlight. His appearances Tom Baker was mainly for passing the torch purposes in Robot although I suppose Terror of the Zygons does play off nostalgia for the UNIT days. Mawdryn Undead was originally written for Ian Chesterton, and in The Five Doctors he was originally meant to hang out with Pertwee until Tom Baker's refusal caused the companions certain Doctors would be teamed up with to be shuffled around. Battlefield and Zygons are really the only two truly post-Pertwee stories meant to team the Brigadier up with a different Doctor.
Me too, really. Isn't Kingston also on the show, along with Barrowman? That would be an in.
I think someone mentioned that it was her library hair? The hair do she had when she went into the library. (now Alex Kingston could be trolling us with the hair) Maybe it will be a scenerio where the doctor has to go back to the library.
Or what the Doctor thought was going to be his last night with River at the Singing Towers of Darillium was wrong, and this will be that night. Truth is, we only saw the start of that date...anything could have happened after the later Doctor and River left the slightly younger Doctor and just in prison River behind.
Come to think of it...we still have the two hanging threads to River Song's last days. The Doctor giving her a Sonic Screwdriver...and Jack Harness's Squareness gun. If Jake is also in this episode...maybe this is near the ending to tie up those loose threads.
Come to think of it...we still have the two hanging threads to River Song's last days. The Doctor giving her a Sonic Screwdriver...and Jack Harness's Squareness gun. If Jake is also in this episode...maybe this is near the ending to tie up those loose threads.
Her first lime when she sees him: "you look different, sweety. New haircut? New suit? Hm, i just can't put my finger on it."
Apparently Hinchcliffe's original plan was that he'd appear more often, maybe every season, but it didn't work with Courtney's schedule.
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"Original plan" is stretching things a little. While filming Terror of the Zygons and seeing how well Tom Baker worked with Nicholas Courtney and John Levene, Hinchcliff considered bringing UNIT back once every season, but unfortunately scheduling didn't work out as you say.
Is there actually any proof or record of that, or just assumption? Because it conflicts with what was written in the big magazine special about all the 50th anniv stuff.
That says - based on interviews with Moffat I believe - that Tasha Lem was supposed to be from a race that are all psycho killers, that grow up all constantly trying to kill each other, and that Tasha had worked hard to set that aside and become Mother Superious. That she had nothing to do with River.
I personally think that the theory that Tasha was meant to have been River in the script - or actually was River in another incarnation or something - is purely down to Moffat's repetitiveness as a writer and inability to create women of different types. (For example, that description I wrote of Tasha up there also sounds exactly like Vastra as well.)
And again here - to my mind, River and Jack are basically the same character. Both raised in the 51st century, both fast with a gun and a witty quip, both sexually fluid and available, both fell in love with the Doctor, both have a timeline that loops over and around itself in confusing ways, both have tragic childhoods and secrets that even the Doctor doesn't know...
I know Jack was created by Davies, but he was introduced in a Moffat script, and I sometimes feel like Moffat just wanted his own version of the character but made her female so nobody could copyright him.
Moffat 'decided' River was Amy's daughter as soon as he started working on season 5, or else Amy's name would not have been Pond.
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<Shrug> I don't think it's a stretch at all. It's just something that didn't work out.
I do agree with you that the Brigadier is primarily a 3rd Doctor character though. We've just been lucky enough that he showed up a few times since then.
Mr Awe
It's clear from rewatching Series 5 that River isn't the daughter of Amy and Rory. River's trip to Amy's house in "The Pandorica Opens" and her reaction to what she finds there doesn't make any sense if she knows that she's Amy's daughter. Reading Moffat's text, it's difficult to believe that River was always Amy's daughter.
Can be handwaved by the fact that she is affected by memory loss from the cracks erasing her father and other elements of her own timeline.
I'm not sure I see the connection. River didn't grow up with Amy and Rory, there certainly must be things she does not know about her mother. Being biologically created from them doesn't mean she knows everything about them.
Certainly 'Pandorica' is at a comparatively late point in River's timeline, when she must have known a fair amount about Amy by then. But seeing the toys of the Doctor and the Tardis showed her the effect the Doctor had had on Amy, as opposed to just being told. The reaction was commensurately greater. And her reaction to the Roman stuff and the Pandora's Box story was more about the situation they were currently facing at Stonehenge, rather than about Amy per se.
So I don't see how those reactions say anything one way or the other about River's parentage, unless I'm forgetting something from those scenes.
But regardless, in universe, Timelord Victorious' explanation is sufficient. Out of universe, how else do you explain the 'Pond'/'River' connection, which was there from episode 1 of season 5, if Moffat didn't plan it to be exactly that way? It's too specific to be a coincidence.
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Thanks, though I have to correct you a bit.
She most definitely grew up with Amy and Rory or did you forget her Mels incarnation?
Just not as her daughter but as her rebellious best friend.
She most definitely grew up with Amy and Rory or did you forget her Mels incarnation?
Just not as her daughter but as her rebellious best friend.
Actually, he decided that while he was writing Big Bang. He even joked that that title refered to that very period he conceived that notion.
Before that, River was just an unrelated person.
Fair enough, that plays more to Allyn's hand than mine. She'd already seen the toys then. Although I still think the Pond / River connection is too close to be a coincidence. He had to at least have been thinking in that direction to have decided on that name.
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I was mostly joking, but you are absolutely right. And for the record, I'd actually hate if Clara was related.
All of time and space and they are all related sounds way to inbred for me.
Like the Star Wars Prequels. C3PO really is Luke's brother, and that was supposed to be a joke back in the 80s.
Thanks for asking that, I didn't see the connection myself. I thought they were always two separate characters with no real overlap.
Regarding Mels changing to River, doesn't regenerating affect their memories? Like they can remember but it's not like that same incarnation is there itself. Of course, universe cracks is probably a better reason than that.
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Mels? That was faces ago. (well a face ago). The Doctor sometimes has trouble remembering certain details between faces, so River should have a similar problem.
But the mentioned cracks erasing everything around Amy might also be a reason River doesn't remember. Not only was her father erased, but so where her grandparents. Yet Amy is still there. And when the Cracks are sealed, but the Doctor isn't there....River is still there.
But the mentioned cracks erasing everything around Amy might also be a reason River doesn't remember. Not only was her father erased, but so where her grandparents. Yet Amy is still there. And when the Cracks are sealed, but the Doctor isn't there....River is still there.
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