Spacedock: Earth shield?

[KamenRiderBlade]

Coruscant from that other Star franchise feels a lot safer considering there was only the CIS invasion in Episode 3, although it would've been a goner in Episode 7 if they hadn't moved the Republic capital to Hosnian Prime.

Legends Coruscant on the other hand especially with the Vong war gives Trek Earth a run for its money in danger zones.

This is the same Star Wars Universe that Star Killer base can send a ("Hyper-Space traveling" / "Planet Killing" / "Single Beam Splitting into Multi-Beams" of doom) that actually took out several planets.

Spoiler: First Order firing StarKiller Base's main weapon and wiping out Multiple Planets in the Hosnian Prime System.

5 Planets with significantly large population centers wiped out in the span of seconds.

That incident, now known as the Hosnian Cataclysm, was devastating.

Somehow I feel safer in the Star Trek Universe compared to the crazy weapons that the bad guys get away with successfully using in the Star Wars Universe.

This also doesn't factor in the Death Star destroying Alderran in the original Star Wars Trilogy.

 

[Timofnine]

This is the same Star Wars Universe that Star Killer base can send a ("Hyper-Space traveling" / "Planet Killing" / "Single Beam Splitting into Multi-Beams" of doom) that actually took out several planets.

Spoiler: First Order firing StarKiller Base's main weapon and wiping out Multiple Planets in the Hosnian Prime System.

5 Planets with significantly large population centers wiped out in the span of seconds.

That incident, now known as the Hosnian Cataclysm, was devastating.

Somehow I feel safer in the Star Trek Universe compared to the crazy weapons that the bad guys get away with successfully using in the Star Wars Universe.

This also doesn't factor in the Death Star destroying Alderran in the original Star Wars Trilogy.

I know that my fan fic often gets me lambasted, but if you want to see how I have used ancient Star Trek weaponry to destroy the Star Wars Universe on an even larger scale, then look no further than here.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, Star Trek has aliens that can wipe out whole populations with a thought. Neither universe is especially safe.

 

[Timofnine]

Well, Star Trek has aliens that can wipe out whole populations with a thought. Neither universe is especially safe.

Wesley Crusher Traveller can even do so with a joke.

 

[fireproof78]

Wesley Crusher Traveller can even do so with a joke.

All the more reason why "Shut up, Wesley" is so important to know.

 

[KamenRiderBlade]

All the more reason why "Shut up, Wesley" is so important to know.

This isn't even factoring how powerful the Mirror-Universe Wesley Crusher is in STO.

He was on a different level.

 

[fireproof78]

This isn't even factoring how powerful the Mirror-Universe Wesley Crusher is in STO.

He was on a different level.

No, it wasn't. For reasons I feel are painfully obvious.

Nevermind the Douwd:
PICARD: What happened on Rana Four? The truth this time. All of it.
KEVIN: Very well. For what it's worth. I am a Douwd. An immortal being of disguises and false surroundings. I have lived in this galaxy for many thousands of years although until today, no one has known my true identity. Once, while traveling in human form, I chanced to fall in love with an Earth woman. I put aside my powers and became her husband. Our life was happy and rich. Eventually we came to this planet to live our final years. Now she is dead. She never knew what I really was.
PICARD: Your colony was attacked by a warship.
KEVIN: Belonging to the Husnock, a species of hideous intelligence who knew only aggression and destruction. I could have destroyed them with a mere thought, but I did not do so.
CRUSHER: You had the power to stop them but you didn't?
KEVIN: I refused to for the same reason I refused to stop the Enterprise. I will not kill.
PICARD: So you let the colonists fight a hopeless battle.
KEVIN: I tried to fool the Husnock as I tried to fool you. It only made them angrier. More cruel.
PICARD: And then what you most feared, happened. Rishon went to fight with the colonists, and died with them.
KEVIN: How I wish I could have died with her.
PICARD: But you couldn't. You were left alone.
KEVIN: Yes. I saw her broken body. I went insane. My hatred exploded, and in an instant of grief I destroyed the Husnock.
CRUSHER: Why did you try to hide this from all of us? Was it out of guilt for not helping Rishon and the others when they were alive?
KEVIN: No, no, no, no. You don't understand the scope of my crime. I didn't kill just one Husnock, or a hundred, or a thousand. I killed them all. All Husnock everywhere. Are eleven thousand people worth fifty billion? Is the love of a woman worth the destruction of an entire species? This is the sin I tried so hard to keep you from learning now. Why I wanted to chase you from Rana.
PICARD: We're not qualified to be your judges. We have no law to fit your crime. You're free to return to the planet and to make Rishon live again.

(From TNG's The Survivors)

 

[KamenRiderBlade]

No, it wasn't. For reasons I feel are painfully obvious.

Nevermind the Douwd:
PICARD: What happened on Rana Four? The truth this time. All of it.
KEVIN: Very well. For what it's worth. I am a Douwd. An immortal being of disguises and false surroundings. I have lived in this galaxy for many thousands of years although until today, no one has known my true identity. Once, while traveling in human form, I chanced to fall in love with an Earth woman. I put aside my powers and became her husband. Our life was happy and rich. Eventually we came to this planet to live our final years. Now she is dead. She never knew what I really was.
PICARD: Your colony was attacked by a warship.
KEVIN: Belonging to the Husnock, a species of hideous intelligence who knew only aggression and destruction. I could have destroyed them with a mere thought, but I did not do so.
CRUSHER: You had the power to stop them but you didn't?
KEVIN: I refused to for the same reason I refused to stop the Enterprise. I will not kill.
PICARD: So you let the colonists fight a hopeless battle.
KEVIN: I tried to fool the Husnock as I tried to fool you. It only made them angrier. More cruel.
PICARD: And then what you most feared, happened. Rishon went to fight with the colonists, and died with them.
KEVIN: How I wish I could have died with her.
PICARD: But you couldn't. You were left alone.
KEVIN: Yes. I saw her broken body. I went insane. My hatred exploded, and in an instant of grief I destroyed the Husnock.
CRUSHER: Why did you try to hide this from all of us? Was it out of guilt for not helping Rishon and the others when they were alive?
KEVIN: No, no, no, no. You don't understand the scope of my crime. I didn't kill just one Husnock, or a hundred, or a thousand. I killed them all. All Husnock everywhere. Are eleven thousand people worth fifty billion? Is the love of a woman worth the destruction of an entire species? This is the sin I tried so hard to keep you from learning now. Why I wanted to chase you from Rana.
PICARD: We're not qualified to be your judges. We have no law to fit your crime. You're free to return to the planet and to make Rishon live again.

(From TNG's The Survivors)

Pretty Powerful, but Mirror Universe Wesley Crusher was also pretty powerful.

Wesley's mirror universe counterpart appears in Star Trek Online, with Wil Wheaton returning to voice him. The episode "The Eye of the Storm", released in September 2022, reveals that the mirror Wesley is the Emperor of the Terran Empire, who possesses incredible "personal power", including the ability to freeze entire fleets in a "time bubble". He plans to merge with "the Other", the mirror counterpart of V'ger, to become a god and destroy all who oppose him in every universe, starting with the prime universe. The mission "The Fujiwhara Effect", released in January 2023, shows flashbacks of his early life, having to hide his true potential until he took the power of the Traveler and seized the Terran throne. He is deposed and separated from "the Other" by the efforts of his mother, and taken in by V'ger to discover his true potential. Two different versions of his mirror universe counterpart had previously appeared in the novel Dark Mirror and the novella The Worst of Both Worlds.

 

[Sci]

PICARD: We're not qualified to be your judges. We have no law to fit your crime. You're free to return to the planet and to make Rishon live again.

Just being pedantic here -- Picard has to be speaking poetically about the inadequacy of Federation law to address the scale of his crime, because from a literal standpoint the Federation almost has to have a law against exterminationist genocide. But letting Kevin go is almost certainly the right call, since you really don't want to fuck with a creature that can vaporize the entire Federation in the blink of an eye.

 

[fireproof78]

Just being pedantic here -- Picard has to be speaking poetically about the inadequacy of Federation law to address the scale of his crime, because from a literal standpoint the Federation almost has to have a law against exterminationist genocide. But letting Kevin go is almost certainly the right call, since you really don't want to fuck with a creature that can vaporize the entire Federation in the blink of an eye.

I always took it as the Dwoud being at such a higher level, like Q level, that their laws could not be made to fit. I'm sure the Federation has a law about genocidal peer powers, but god like beings?

 

[Sci]

I always took it as the Dwoud being at such a higher level, like Q level, that their laws could not be made to fit. I'm sure the Federation has a law about genocidal peer powers, but god like beings?

I mean, I think we're basically saying the same thing here. I don't think Federation law contains some special exemption for someone just because of what species they are -- being an extra-dimensional entity does not mean you didn't break the law if you commit genocide while you're in Federation space. It just means the Federation cannot physically enforce the law upon you.

 

[Yistaan]

Just being pedantic here -- Picard has to be speaking poetically about the inadequacy of Federation law to address the scale of his crime, because from a literal standpoint the Federation almost has to have a law against exterminationist genocide. But letting Kevin go is almost certainly the right call, since you really don't want to fuck with a creature that can vaporize the entire Federation in the blink of an eye.

Picard was assimilated after this episode and presumably the Borg found out all about Kevin and his powers, AND the location of the planet that Picard left him on. I wonder if the Borg ever made any attempt to go after him?

 

[Sci]

Picard was assimilated after this episode and presumably the Borg found out all about Kevin and his powers, AND the location of the planet that Picard left him on. I wonder if the Borg ever made any attempt to go after him?

I think the Borg were smart enough not to try to assimilate extra-dimensional entities capable of vaporizing them in the blink of an eye.

 

[fireproof78]

I mean, I think we're basically saying the same thing here. I don't think Federation law contains some special exemption for someone just because of what species they are -- being an extra-dimensional entity does not mean you didn't break the law if you commit genocide while you're in Federation space. It just means the Federation cannot physically enforce the law upon you.

I don't see as an exemption. I do think it is difficult to enforce. And if the Federation as a trial by jury of your peers who would Kevin's peers be?

 

[Sci]

I don't see as an exemption. I do think it is difficult to enforce.

Oh, definitely. Impossible to physically enforce. That's why the best solution was Picard's -- let him go, let him punish himself, and hope he doesn't get genocidal towards the UFP.

And if the Federation as a trial by jury of your peers who would Kevin's peers be?

I think in this legal context, "peers" would just mean, "other adults sapient entities." If a bodybuilder is accused of murder, they don't recruit a jury only of other bodybuilders after all.

 

[Yistaan]

Oh, definitely. Impossible to physically enforce. That's why the best solution was Picard's -- let him go, let him punish himself, and hope he doesn't get genocidal towards the UFP.

The Q Continuum does seem to have some sort of legal/justice system that isn't really comprehensible to humans but still seemingly exists (thus Q being banished, and apparently some sort of cold war/arrangement with the El-Aurians). Kevin could be turned over to the Q, even just in an offhand comment that Picard makes to Q the next time he shows up.

 

[Sci]

The Q Continuum does seem to have some sort of legal/justice system that isn't really comprehensible to humans but still seemingly exists (thus Q being banished, and apparently some sort of cold war/arrangement with the El-Aurians). Kevin could be turned over to the Q, even just in an offhand comment that Picard makes to Q the next time he shows up.

If there's any group of people I don't trust to enact a proportional, humane justice upon a genocidal god, it's the Q.

 

[KamenRiderBlade]

If there's any group of people I don't trust to enact a proportional, humane justice upon a genocidal god, it's the Q

Depends on what the Q defines as "Humane".

Their definition is different from ours for obvious reasons.

 

[Yistaan]

If there's any group of people I don't trust to enact a proportional, humane justice upon a genocidal god, it's the Q.

Depends on what the Q defines as "Humane".

Their definition is different from ours for obvious reasons.

Despite all of Q's misdeeds since TNG I'm not sure we've seen anything from them on the level of, say, what Dr. Who did to the Family of Blood.

 

[KamenRiderBlade]

Despite all of Q's misdeeds since TNG I'm not sure we've seen anything from them on the level of, say, what Dr. Who did to the Family of Blood.

I don't remember that ep, so what happened in that episode?