Space Colonization Options (Orbiting Stations, planets/moons)

[Gingerbread Demon]

I hope with the way technology is going we all band together to really explore and develope, there is so much out there we don't know and an abundance of materials we can utilise which would allow us all to further humanity. Why not do them all, moon bases, space stations, we will need them all and they allow us to step out and settle in new areas and properly explore.

Not likely for a bloody long time if ever with the way this human race is going. Maybe the next one.

 

[Dryson]

If Christopher Columbus would have been concerned about falling off the edge of the planet or sea monsters, then he would never have discovered America.

Going 'out that far' means new discoveries will be found and new colonies established.

Humanity can't sit on the shore of hope expecting everything to be handed to them.

 

[XCV330]

I'm pretty sure you're already out there, Dryson.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Oooh flashy ideas....... 2025 I don't think so.

https://www.space.com/orbital-assembly-voyager-space-station-artificial-gravity-2025

 

[Ethan13]

Oooh flashy ideas....... 2025 I don't think so.

https://www.space.com/orbital-assembly-voyager-space-station-artificial-gravity-2025

It seems to me that in 2025 they will start assembling a test station. Here on Earth. Not in orbit. At least 15 more years will pass before such a project is possible.
Seriously, a hotel? Not a research station, not a production, but a hotel? We can do something cool and useful, but let's make a hotel...

 

[publiusr]

A hotel is easiest. Here it may actually help with things. The Hub might have a de-spun lab “above” the center section, the dock beneath. To access zero g means a walk...not a launch. This immediacy and spontaneity makes space station research less physically demanding. I would mandate that such a platform fly behind ISS...gradually transformed and turned over to automation. Dragon XL as a shuttle back and forth... hypergolics at ISS to act as a debris snowplow ahead of the art-g station—ISS now called a space platform

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Actually from a money pov a hotel makes a lot of sense to bring in the whales and their fat checkbooks.

 

[Ethan13]

Actually from a money pov a hotel makes a lot of sense to bring in the whales and their fat checkbooks.

Well, yes ... But that's if everything works as it should. And there must be a constant demand. Do enough whales want this kind of rest?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well, yes ... But that's if everything works as it should. And there must be a constant demand. Do enough whales want this kind of rest?

I don't know.. But if it was available I bet some would take up the offer.

 

[valkyrie013]

It's like the first flat-panel TVs or stuff like that that cost an arm and leg at first but then they get cheaper.
So at first millionaire and billionaires in space and eventually get to being cheap enough where you can save up and go to space. So a hotel be a good idea.

 

[publiusr]

A page on the skyhook
http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2020/07/tethers-all-way.html

This might allow solar thermal deployment
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=53252.msg2205431#msg2205431
http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/1133Powell.pdf

Q drive
https://www.centauri-dreams.org/202...ffers-the-possibility-of-interstellar-flight/

Build a Better Saturn
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...UMcOzJk-voZ2TqM6R7MgyaM-I/edit#gid=2081327711

Ice rich landing site?
https://www.theguardian.com/science...eams-back-images-of-ice-filled-korolev-crater

Perfect for a radio telescope dish one day.


Lastly--I want you guys to look at this:
https://science.nasa.gov/hole-mars#:~:text=What created this unusual hole,Reconnaissance Orbiter currently circling Mars.

Now, I wonder if Musk could put a modified Super-Heavy with wide grid fins--perhaps added onto--with an inflatable aerobrake to just fit this crater for use as a silo/base

Lunar air pollution
http://www.geoffreylandis.com/moonair.html#:~:text=Establishment of a large lunar,uniformly spread across the surface.

Astronaut health
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-team-revolutionize-space-medicine-astronaut.html

Good for biolation/suspended animation
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-08-newly-technology-cell-function-pigs.html

Ceres as a destination
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-reveals-dwarf-planet-ceres-powers.html

Soft illumination will be a must for colonies
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-smart-based-quantum-dots-accurately.html
Researchers have designed smart, color-controllable white light devices from quantum dots—tiny semiconductors just a few billionths of a meter in size—which are more efficient and have better color saturation than standard LEDs, and can dynamically reproduce daylight conditions in a single light.

Radiation needs watching
A new method of radiation-resistant computer data storage called watermark storage that's been developed by a University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH) professor leading a student team has direct applications in the nuclear power and space industries.
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-08-technique-solid-state.html

Radiation damage
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-quantify-materials.html
A tiny titanium nut that had been removed from inside the reactor was just the kind of material needed to prove that this new technique, developed at MIT and at other institutions, provides a way to probe defects created inside materials, including those that have been exposed to radiation, with five times greater sensitivity than existing methods.

The strong nuclear force
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-strength-strong.html
For instance, the flattening of the strong force coupling at large distances provides evidence that physicists can apply a new, cutting-edge technique called Anti-de Sitter/Conformal Field Theory (AdS/CFT) duality.

The periodic table history
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-historical-periodic-chemical-elements.html

Solar cells
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-nanoparticles-boost-solar-cell.html

New batteries
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-08-sustainable-alternative-lithium-ion-batteries.html
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-08-path-next-generation-polymer-based-battery.html
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-08-material-sodium-ion-batteries-phase-costly.html

Superconductivity
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-pressure-high-stakes-physicists-major.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-dna-scientists-solution-superconductor-technology.html

New optics
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-08-crab-inspired-artificial-vision-terrestrial-aquatic.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-fiddler-crab-eye-view-artificial.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-biosensor-spider-silk-optical-fiber.html

New instruments
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-ultrasensitive-optical-instrument-broad-medical.html
Called a Mach Zehnder-Fabry Perot (MZ-FP) hybrid fiber interferometer, it combines the advantages of the two types of interferometers that are currently available, making it both compact and highly sensitive.
ttps://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-08-functional-ultrasound-microscopy-brain-neuronal.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-options-health-environmental-water-resistant-gas.html

Light and matter
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-state.html
With a laser beam, atoms can be polarized so that they are positively charged on one side and negatively charged on the other. This makes them attract each other creating a very special bonding state—much weaker than the bond between two atoms in an ordinary molecule, but still measurable. The attraction comes from the polarized atoms themselves, but it is the laser beam that gives them the ability to do so—in a sense, it is a "molecule" of light and matter.

Mini-lens to trap atoms
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-miniature-lens-atoms.html

Carbon capture and green energy
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-simple-cheap-material-carbon-capture.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-environmental-impact-ammonia-production.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-nanoshell-catalysts-greenhouse-gases-chemicals.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-lab-chip-carbon-storage-efforts.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-scientists-reveal-method-methane-gas.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-tech-sunlight-carbon-dioxide-acetate.html

How detergents work
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-scientists-reveal-detergents.html

Water brane
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-graphene-oxide-membranes-reveal-unusual.html
The researchers observed that a density of pores doesn't necessarily lead to higher water permeability—in other words, having more tiny holes doesn't always allow water to flow through at the nanoscale.
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-nano-sponges-potential-rapid-wastewater-treatment.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-reveals-chemical-underpinnings-benign-harsh.html

Skin, wearables
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-08-stretchy-device-skinbut-health-brain-mimicking.html
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-08-flexible-device-harvests-thermal-energy.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-repurpose-19th-century-photography-technique-stretchy.html
By applying a 19th-century color photography technique to modern holographic materials, an MIT team has printed large-scale images onto elastic materials that when stretched can transform their color, reflecting different wavelengths as the material is strained.

 

[Dryson]

A page on the skyhook
http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2020/07/tethers-all-way.html

This might allow solar thermal deployment
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=53252.msg2205431#msg2205431
http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/1133Powell.pdf

Q drive
https://www.centauri-dreams.org/202...ffers-the-possibility-of-interstellar-flight/

Build a Better Saturn
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...UMcOzJk-voZ2TqM6R7MgyaM-I/edit#gid=2081327711

Ice rich landing site?
https://www.theguardian.com/science...eams-back-images-of-ice-filled-korolev-crater

Perfect for a radio telescope dish one day.


Lastly--I want you guys to look at this:
https://science.nasa.gov/hole-mars#:~:text=What created this unusual hole,Reconnaissance Orbiter currently circling Mars.

Now, I wonder if Musk could put a modified Super-Heavy with wide grid fins--perhaps added onto--with an inflatable aerobrake to just fit this crater for use as a silo/base

Lunar air pollution
http://www.geoffreylandis.com/moonair.html#:~:text=Establishment of a large lunar,uniformly spread across the surface.

Could the Lunar Air Balloon be similar to the Bigelow inflatable that could ascend and descend to the Moon with passengers and cargo?

Getting people and cargo to and from the Moon from Lunar orbit will prove to be very costly. If a balloon type vehicle can be used, then cost effeciency of going to the Moon has been met.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Balloons are a complete non-starter for transport if there's no atmosphere. I think you're completely misunderstanding the concept of how technology such as the Bigelow inflatable is being applied to create space habitats. However, a space elevator is a much more feasible prospect for the Moon than the Earth.

The Spaceline: A Practical Space Elevator Alternative Achievable with Current Technology 1908.09339.pdf (arxiv.org)

 

[Dryson]

Situation....Terminal....Fastbridging....Underway.

High Altitude Balloons might work on the Moon.

High-altitude balloons are crewed or uncrewed balloons, usually filled with helium or hydrogen, that are released into the stratosphere, generally attaining between 18 and 37 km (11 and 23 mi; 59,000 and 121,000 ft) above sea level. In 2002, a balloon named BU60-1 reached a record altitude of 53.0 km (32.9 mi; 173,900 ft).[1]

Any object the Moon, above 750 miles, starts to experience a gravitational tug of war with the Earth.

A High Altitude Balloon could be deployed at normal operating altitudes that the balloons are on Earth, attached to a rail road type of track, lifted into Lunar altitude using thrusters that would then also pull the balloon and cargo along the track to any place within range of the main base and as far as the track could be laid.

Im not certain if the hydrogen or helium would stay inflated though due to extreme cold or lack of the Moon having an atmosphere to trap heat between the clouds and surface.

The Moon isn't bouyant enough for a helium balloon to operate on the Moon, it would oxygen.

Perhaps a clear shell around the helium or hydrogen balloon could provide the necessary buoyancy. With oxygen between the outer balloon and the helium balloon, the helium balloon would have the atmosphere needed to float.

Ill go ask NASA if the vaccuum chamber is able to be used for such a test.1

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

The Moon does not have any significant atmosphere.
Is There an Atmosphere on the Moon? | NASA
Balloons do not work in a vacuum.

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Molecular oxygen is eight times heavier per mole than helium so it would be even more useless.

 

[Santaman]

^^ Pff come on, don't let the laws of physics or logic stand in your way! The moon must have some exotic, most likely dark matter atmosphere that we can't detect HA! bring on those balloons!

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Indeed. Trying to have a rational discussion with someone who doesn't have a clue how something as simple as buoyancy works is a pointless struggle. I shall just take the easy way out and not bother.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Space balloons..... There you go see they'll work on the Moon now just name them Space Balloons

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Space Balloons(TM) -- as seen on Shark Tank.

 

[Dryson]

Balloon 'taxi service' to take satellites to space - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-49827415