Soong type Androids technology

[Twilight Phoenix]

How do you know he's not just as experienced with them as a woman?

Oh c'mon Mojo, this is not what I'm mad at the most and you know it :P
Too bad Data is fictional, I'd happily observe human males call him a dildo, until he arrives near them with his nearly 2 meters of polyalloy endoskeleton and duranium skull...and his steelbars bending strenght...

 

[JoeZhang]

How do you know he's not just as experienced with them as a woman?

Due to my interest in back start-ups, I actually own capital in a company working on Teledildonics - the issues I've mentioned here are questions that people are pondering in the field.

 

[Twilight Phoenix]

Due to my interest in back start-ups, I actually own capital in a company working on Teledildonics - the issues I've mentioned here are questions that people are pondering in the field.

Interesting, except we're not talking about a sexdoll's specs, we're talking about a sentient, intelligent person. So if everything you have to say here is to wonder wether or not Data's genitals are warm to the touch, your presence on that topic isn't required.

 

[JoeZhang]

Interesting, except we're not talking about a sexdoll's specs, we're talking about a sentient, intelligent person. So if everything you have to say here is to wonder wether or not Data's genitals are warm to the touch, your presence on that topic isn't required.

Do you this own this forum now? Did I miss the buyout during my decade here?

I'll post where I like.

 

[Twilight Phoenix]

Do you this own this forum now? Did I miss the buyout during my decade here?

I'll post where I like.

Because I'm not the forum's owner doesn't mean I'lll accept people coming here, on my topic, to insult my favourite character with disgusting allusions. And I don't care for how much time you've been a member here. That's not related to the topic's goal, which is to discuss STA technology and not to debate wether or not Data should be warm to the touch to please human lust. I can't stand people who immediately associate androids/gynoids to walking sex toys, probably because I''ve been treated as a walking toy myself when sexually assaulted and harassed. So I'll hold my ground and I won't back off on that. You picked the wrong person (and wrong TNG character) to attack !

 

[JoeZhang]

Getting back to the debate at hand - you have to wonder how Data was programmed to be sexual active - did Soong get the advice of a Love Instructor (as per the Great Bird’s commentary in TMP) or was it based on his own personal experience?

 

[SPCTRE]

Getting back to the debate at hand - you have to wonder how Data was programmed to be sexual active - did Soong get the advice of a Love Instructor (as per the Great Bird’s commentary in TMP) or was it based on his own personal experience?

The way libraries/knowledge bases are depicted in TNG era Trek, Soong might have provided Data with the then-sum of human knowledge about sex and just let him extrapolate/machine learn from there.

 

[JoeZhang]

The way libraries/knowledge bases are depicted in TNG era Trek, Soong might have provided Data with the then-sum of human knowledge about sex and just let him extrapolate/machine learn from there.

That's a good point - although that would provide him with information rather than knowledge - to get tacit knowledge (in layman's terms - something that is difficult to pick up from explanation - say how to ride a bike), he'd still need to practice - likely either in a holodeck or with some form of sex doll (although that then raises the question of how you programme the holodeck to have the right responses).

The more I think about it - this is the perfect reason for Gene Roddenberry's Love Instructor to exist. He/she could have worked extensively with Data to give him the fundamentals. Given we know that the Great Bird thought that having a love instructor would be a perfectly normal part of the education system, it's likely Data has one in the same way Kirk's mum did.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

Because I'm not the forum's owner doesn't mean I'lll accept people coming here, on my topic, to insult my favourite character with disgusting allusions.

You can’t “own” a thread. Once created, it has a life of its own and may drift off your intended course. I agree that the thread may have lost its focus but neither one of us can control that possibility.

 

[Twilight Phoenix]

You can’t “own” a thread. Once created, it has a life of its own and may drift off your intended course. I agree that the thread may have lost its focus but neither one of us can control that possibility.

I know I can't own a thread, but what am I supposed to do, then ? Keep the disgust and anger inside and pretend I'm not feeling those ?? That's what I've been doing for half of my life, so excuse me Mutai but with all due respect, I'm done shutting up my mouth. Especially when facing what could be considered racist slur - because if sentient androids and AI did exist, calling them toasters, lawn mowers or dildos would constitute racist slur.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

because if sentient androids and AI did exist

But they don't. You obviously have formed a bond with these fictional characters and feel their possible emotions as if they were real. When I was a child, I attributed real emotions to my small collection of stuffed critters and created elaborate stories about their adventures and associated feelings. Now that I'm an old man (72) I'm likely to do that again some day, but not here, and not today.

 

[Twilight Phoenix]

What am I supposed to reply to you, @Mutai Sho-Rin ? I basically have no right as a regular member. So I guess trolls won the game, since I can't fight alone anyway, especialluy against the mod team. I'm out of that topic I created. Goodbye, my fav thread.
#unwatch

 

[Marynator]

I feel I can understand how @TauCygna feels upset by objectification of Mr Data, after all I do believe in Star Trek he's clearly defined as a full person with complete human dignity, right? I feel you can really draw a parallel metaphor between his objectification by people like Mr Maddox, and say like historical sexual objectification of women, which you know is still happening today and you can even see at this message board. So while obviously Mr Data's a fictional character and I think everyone totally knows sentient androids aren't real, I don't believe it's strange to think someone could get upset when she sees the idea of reducing a person, whether he's fictional or he's real, to a mere object or possession, you know what I mean? Like Star Trek has always been about using science fiction metaphors to compare to our real problems, I don't see how you wouldn't also view that in reverse, you know what I mean?

 

[SpyOne]

The way libraries/knowledge bases are depicted in TNG era Trek, Soong might have provided Data with the then-sum of human knowledge about sex and just let him extrapolate/machine learn from there.

I believe Data has said that the memories of everyone in the colony he was found at had been uploaded into him.
Now as was said above, there is a difference between knowledge and experience. Data has the memories of dozens of people telling hundreds of jokes, but that doesn't make him good at it.
But Data does posess the memories of dozens of people, of both genders and presumably multiple orientations, of having sex.

 

[JoeZhang]

I believe Data has said that the memories of everyone in the colony he was found at had been uploaded into him.
Now as was said above, there is a difference between knowledge and experience. Data has the memories of dozens of people telling hundreds of jokes, but that doesn't make him good at it.
But Data does posess the memories of dozens of people, of both genders and presumably multiple orientations, of having sex.

If he has their memories that is pretty creepy - we all have things that are just for us and us alone - does he have a memory of one colonist secretly lusting after another... or the prize pig ?

What if one was secretly a murderer?

How would you get everyone to agree to such a procedure?

 

[TribbleFeeder]

So I’ve been thinking about this the last day or two pretty intently, trying to get a grasp of how I feel about this.

It’s reasonable to get upset about a character you love being boiled down to an inanimate object.

I think it’s safe to say a lot of us take Star Trek really seriously and it’s a big part of our lives, even of who we are. Data had a big impact on my life, especially in appreciation of my erratic emotions. I’m attached to him too.

I think the biggest problem with some of the statements I’ve read is that his genitals are being commonly talked about like it’s no big deal. I don’t see anyone on here talking about Picard’s genitals, or Troi’s breasts. It’s demeaning and kind of gross because a lot of us see him as sentient, intelligent being.

 

[Mojochi]

I think in general it's easier to let discriminatory attitudes about fictitious characters & circumstances go unchallenged, because it just doesn't seem as realistically relevant & thereby not as dire...... maybe. However, I do have empathy for people who do identify or relate so closely with those characters & circumstances though, when such is happening. I always try to take that into consideration, at least when I comment on anything here, even something as seemingly inconsequential as other members might see Data's sex

 

[JoeZhang]

I considered working up a rebuttal but then realised that after spending decades fighting real cases of racism and discrimination, rather than tilting at windmills and defending the honour of a fictional character, than I just don't care enough to do so.

Fundamentally I stand by everything I've posted and so you'll all have to lump it.

 

[Timo]

I think the biggest problem with some of the statements I’ve read is that his genitals are being commonly talked about like it’s no big deal. I don’t see anyone on here talking about Picard’s genitals, or Troi’s breasts.

Which is the real problem - people acting as if talking about genitals or breasts were somehow wrong.

Troi's breasts and their qualities became a topic of discussion when they were a plot point in ST:INS. Picard's genitals and their potential fate became a topic of discussion when he was Borgified, in the Borg episode following the one that established that the Borg are neither male nor female. Both the topics were discussed. If that detracted from someone's impression of Troi or Picard as sentient, intelligent beings, then that someone is the person to be burned on a #metoo stake for having "discriminatory attitudes".

Honestly, are we all kids here? That is, is the line really drawn at 72?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Twilight Phoenix]

I promised myself I wouldn't reply on that topic anymore, and here I am again, walking in quicksand again despite knowing I'm gonna get stuck in it...

Which is the real problem - people acting as if talking about genitals or breasts were somehow wrong.
(...) Honestly, are we all kids here? That is, is the line really drawn at 72?

I don't have a problem with people coming here talking about Data's genitals, I have a problem with people calling him a DILDO.
I thought it was clear enough ?? I'm not a 4 years old kid anymore, I don't have taboos about discussing sex and sexuality (even if I prefer discussing it with close friends rather than with strangers). Some questions asked here about how was Data programmed to emulate sexual behaviours and the kind of teaching he'd have been through are interesting questions. The remark that it could feel very awkward intimacy-wise if he was cold skinned is indeed a relevant remark. What I can't accept is seeing him be objectified and reduced to a sex toy during those discussions. So I'd greatly appreciate not being described (even undirectly) as some bigoted person with a sexuality taboo, just because I don't like someone I appreciate being insulted by being called a sextoy.


And with that, I am out of that topic once and for all. That'd be a wiser decision, since spending more time here will only drive me to become aggressive, break forum rules and be kicked from a place I like. I don't want to give trolls that satisfaction.