Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread
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Blade is way better.
Blade became big because vampires were the big thing at the time, not superheroes. It's not something that really put Marvel, specifically, on the map. It was just another vampire IP at the time.
I thought Amy Pascal served that role.
It looked like we were going to get exactly that with Silver & Black...but then it was canceled.
I have no idea. I was making a joke.
Pascal has producer credit on the Venom movies, The Animated Spider Verse movies, an Untitled Sony / Marvel project and the upcoming Kraven, but most notably NOT Morbius.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1166871/filmotype/producer?ref_=m_nmfm_1
Arad, the other hand, has producer credit on all of the above, plus Morbius, Sinister Six, Silver Sable and Black Cat.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0032696/filmotype/producer?ref_=m_nmfm_1
Like I said, God help us...
Ahhhh...thanks for that insight. I didn't know.
Honestly? I legitimately think that Dark Phoenix is worse. I've gotten through Fant4stic twice, but find Dark Phoenix so mind numbingly dull that I've never got to far through it. I know that saying "boring is worse then bad" has kind of become a cliche, but I legitimately think it applies here. At least I can laugh at how awful Fant4stic is, and get enjoyment out of reacting to all the weird/horrible stuff in it. Dark Phoenix just feels like its draining my life force.
Dark Phoenix had a story already adapted badly, with the same writer as the first attempt, but its now also that writers first time directing a movie. An unwatchable movie that also had probably the worst behind the scenes decisions made when it came to hiring the writer/director of possibly any modern comicbook movie. At least Josh Trank had proven that he could direct a decently received movie, even if he was absolutely the wrong choice for Fant4stic and fairly overratedas a director in general at that point.
We have gotten to the point where I wish we'd gotten the Silver Sable/Black Cat movie. That feels like it could actually work as a solo comicbook film without Spider-Man. I still think its unnecessary, and it probably wouldn't be good based on Sony's current track record, but I think those characters, especially paired together so they can play off each other, make a lot more sense as a film then Morbius or Kraven solo films do.
I was really looking forward to Silver and Black.
It wasn't a movie I was clamoring for when it was first talked about, but living in a world with two Spider-Man absent Venom movies, a solo Morbius film and an upcoming solo Kraven film, Silver and Black suddenly looks like a much better idea then it did back in the day.
So was I and I barely know anything about Silver Sable.
This explains everything. It’s still 1992 for Arad
I think Arad is a business-side producer rather than a creative producer -- someone who's credited due to ownership of the rights or financial investment in the production rather than having anything to do with the writing or filmmaking decisions. Like how Michael E. Uslan has had a producer credit on every Batman movie since 1989, even the animated ones, because he owns the Batman movie rights.
On the other hand, I note that Arad is just listed as executive producer on some Marvel films and a producer on others, and I'm not sure what the reason for that difference is. I gather that in features, it's kind of the reverse of TV in that producer is a more important credit than executive producer, or at least more directly involved in the production.
Ben Urich's rights are held by Marvel.
According to the memo produced in 2011, Sony would gain the rights to use Kingpin in Spider-Man productions once Fox's rights returned to Marvel. I'm curious if Disney buying Fox means the rights to Kingpin reverted or were acquired.
Also, Sony didn't have the rights to Peter Porker in 2011.
Sadly, the Electric Company characters are out.
So we'll never get to see Morgan Freeman reprise the Easy Reader? Aww.
But we did see the Thanos Copter in Loki, IIRC. (From Spidey Super Stories, the comics tie-in to TEC Spidey.)
I'm not entirely sure that's true. They were trying to get superhero movies off the ground in the mid to late 90s. Supposedly Spider-man TAS created Whistler so he could be put into a potential Blade movie and that animated version of Blade was pitched as what a movie could be.
Good round-up here showing the big changes that were made to Morbius over the past two years. Like removing any hint of Tyrese Gibson's cybernetic arm.
https://www.cbr.com/morbius-trailer-scenes-cut-from-movie/
Also, since nobody else has been doing much promotion for the film, director Daniel Espinosa has been hung out to dry having to answer questions he clearly doesn't want to be answering, like the one about the Spider-Man image.
"That image is only in the trailer. So for me, as a director, I only do the movie. I, as a fan, have several kinds of opinions and thoughts about that. But since I didn't put it there, because it's not in the movie, and I didn't put it in the trailer either. So if I said something about what I think it is, it would be as a fan. But because I'm the director, I would be accused of knowing something. Which I don't, you know? If I knew something, I could tell you. But it's not mine. It's not from my idea, you know? I would love to be honest and responsible, but I can't, because it's not mine."
https://www.cbr.com/morbius-trailer-scenes-cut-from-movie/
Also, since nobody else has been doing much promotion for the film, director Daniel Espinosa has been hung out to dry having to answer questions he clearly doesn't want to be answering, like the one about the Spider-Man image.
"That image is only in the trailer. So for me, as a director, I only do the movie. I, as a fan, have several kinds of opinions and thoughts about that. But since I didn't put it there, because it's not in the movie, and I didn't put it in the trailer either. So if I said something about what I think it is, it would be as a fan. But because I'm the director, I would be accused of knowing something. Which I don't, you know? If I knew something, I could tell you. But it's not mine. It's not from my idea, you know? I would love to be honest and responsible, but I can't, because it's not mine."
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But... I was assured that image proved Morbius was in the Spider-Man video game universe! (Said very sarcastically).
You know, there's a lot more dishonesty going on over at Sony (flat out lies?) trying to get people to pay for this movie. Like... it's one thing to edit thing in a way that allude to a movie not being what it really is (Bridge to Tarabithia) but to flat out add things like this to a trailer specifically to lie to an audience... and the director doesn't even know... that's REALLY not cool at all. Like. Almost criminal. "You sold me a product that promised this, it's right there to be plainly seen, with zero intention of it being that".
You know, there's a lot more dishonesty going on over at Sony (flat out lies?) trying to get people to pay for this movie. Like... it's one thing to edit thing in a way that allude to a movie not being what it really is (Bridge to Tarabithia) but to flat out add things like this to a trailer specifically to lie to an audience... and the director doesn't even know... that's REALLY not cool at all. Like. Almost criminal. "You sold me a product that promised this, it's right there to be plainly seen, with zero intention of it being that".
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