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I have to give it to Espinosa; he's really been dumped in it by Sony for decisions that don't seem to have been his and left to try and promote the film they butchered by himself.

https://uproxx.com/movies/morbius-director-daniel-espinosa-interview/

Working with Leto also turns out to be as bad as you'd expect as he'd slow down shooting by shuffling around everywhere on crutches. In they end they sped things up by persuading him to use a wheelchair.

It's just make-believe Jared!
 
I have to give it to Espinosa; he's really been dumped in it by Sony for decisions that don't seem to have been his and left to try and promote the film they butchered by himself.

"OK, I know how this game works. I'll be a good soldier and play ball. But in return I get to pick my next project and I get final edit."
 
Despite reviews "Morbius" managed to do okay over the weekend. Not shattering numbers just okay.

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.co...lts-morbius-defies-reviews-for-solid-opening/
Okay if we are talking about a typical drama, not a well hyped movie in the superhero genre that was piggy backing(false advertising) off another highly successful movie that did over $200 million its opening weekend. Even the more serious and non kid friendly Batman film did over $100 million it's opening weekend.$39 million dollars is a huge failure. The film will be lucky to break even.
 
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Not to wish ill on something that people worked hard on, but I really hope this one hugely underperforms. It's the only way we might see a new approach.

Heh. Hard on. ;)
 
@Anwar is right, Wikipedia lists the budget at $ 75-84 million, and the worldwide box office has that already. The box office would have to take a nose-dive for it to not make Sony its money back, and the Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes, while not stellar, also don't suggest the word-of-mouth will be as bad as the critical response would suggest. It won't make Venom numbers, but it will most likely perform well enough for Sony to consider it a success.
 
They'd need to make very-approximately four times the budget to break even, but that seems pretty doable. I still hope for underperforming. ASM2 made over 700 million and was still considered a swing and a miss by Sony, so we know they aren't afraid to be bummed out making "only some money" as opposed to truckloads. ;)
 
In cinema ticket sales, the price is split between the cinema and the production company (this is why concessions cost so much, it's the cinema's lifeline). The split is in the studios favour the earlier in the run and adjusts each week to be more even and then in the cinema's favour.

So, to make a production budget back, a film typically needs to take roughly twice what it cost in ticket sales once you take away the cinema's cut.

The film's marketing budget is then normally equal to or a significant portion of the production market. So, to break even for production and marketing costs, and taking into account the cinema's cut, the film needs to take, as rule of thumb, 3x production budget.

As a licensee, Sony then also have to pay Marvel a cut. This is why Amazing Spider-Man 2 was a crap money maker for them because Marvel's cut was so significant, it reduced their profit to single digits millions. I don't know if the current co-production for Spider-man deal affects Venom and Morbius et al, but Marvel will still have a cut, so takings of approx 3.5-4x production budget for a comfortable take home for Sony sounds reasonable.
 
Despite reviews "Morbius" managed to do okay over the weekend. Not shattering numbers just okay.
I would like to apologize to the world that I am included in those numbers.

Working with Leto also turns out to be as bad as you'd expect as he'd slow down shooting by shuffling around everywhere on crutches. In they end they sped things up by persuading him to use a wheelchair.
Oh gods.... Where's the Picard face palm meme when you need him.
 
They'd need to make very-approximately four times the budget to break even, but that seems pretty doable. I still hope for underperforming. ASM2 made over 700 million and was still considered a swing and a miss by Sony, so we know they aren't afraid to be bummed out making "only some money" as opposed to truckloads. ;)
I don't see it getting that much as I anticipate a huge drop for it's second weekend. But we shall see.
 
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Oh gods.... Where's the Picard face palm meme when you need him.
I kind of have to wonder how good of an actor someone really is if the only way they can get into character is by going to all of these extremes. It takes real talent to be able to turn that on and off with the camera/audience.
 
I kind of have to wonder how good of an actor someone really is if the only way they can get into character is by going to all of these extremes. It takes real talent to be able to turn that on and off with the camera/audience.

Also, method acting is supposed to be about internalizing the character's experiences and reactions so you can give a spontaneous, natural, unaffected performance, but Jared Leto's "method" performances that I've seen (which admittedly are just the Joker and Blade Runner's Niander Wallace) are incredibly unnatural and affected. Nobody actually acts like that, ever. So I don't know if he really gets the point of method acting.
 
The other thing is that actors like him only seem to get into character to play assholes (like he did as Joker) or in ways that make life inconvenient for everyone else (like above). When does one ever hear of someone getting into character to play a character who’s always going out of their way to do nice things for people?
 
I don't see it getting that much as I anticipate a huge drop for it's second weekend. But we shall see.
Indeed, it actually dropped from Friday to Saturday, which is inverse to the norm and suggests folks who saw it Friday did not recommend to friends and potentially the opposite.

Is this 2022's Spawn movie??
 
The other thing is that actors like him only seem to get into character to play assholes (like he did as Joker) or in ways that make life inconvenient for everyone else (like above). When does one ever hear of someone getting into character to play a character who’s always going out of their way to do nice things for people?

Reporting on nice deeds gets less clicks than reporting on the bad ones.
 
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